I watched many Bulls games throughout the 90's and Pippen was considered one of the softest and mentally-weak players in the league with many notable instances of him wilting under pressure and/or acting the fool with mental breakdowns - he acts much worse than KAT ever acted and he's a much more inconsistent producer than KAT ever was.

Pippen entered the league as a 23-year old rookie that averaged 8 ppg, and then he missed Game 6 of the 89' ECF as the Bulls lost in 6, while also missing Game 7 of the 90' ECF as the Bulls lost in 7 - both instances were apparently doctor-diagnosed "migraines" that occur in high-pressure situations - Pippen literally had a medical condition that caused him to have migraines in closeout games - how could anyone win with this kind of clinically-diagnosed choking condition from teammates?

In addition to the debacles from 88-90', Pippen was getting dominated by X-Man in the 92' ECSF - he was melting down as X-Man bullied him in Game 7 before MJ stood up to X-Man and famously played enforcer for Pippen (shown above).. MJ learned from the debacles in 89' and 90' that Pippen's migraine syndrome required you to "stand up for him", as MJ states here... Without Jordan, Pippen had the historic embarrassment and meltdown in the 94' Playoffs.

History shows that whenever a series was close or lost, it was Pippen's poor play that caused it like the 89' ECF, 90' ECF, 92' ECSF, 93' Finals, 95' ECSF, 98' ECF, 98' Finals, 99' 1st Round, 00' WCF - Pippen had bad production and efficiency in all of these close series.. He was also outplayed by opposing SF's in many other series like the 93' or 95' 1st Rounds and of course the 96' Finals (15.7 on 34%).. He averaged 17.6 on 41% for the entire 96-98' Playoffs and this includes worst-ever shooting splits in 96' and 98'.




The point is that Pippen was just as inconsistent, weak mentally and low-producer as KAT, so Ant doesn't need a "pippen" to save him and simply needs to carry the pippen that he already has with KAT, and also the 4x DPOY (Gobert) and another all-defender in McDaniels - so Ant's team is loaded with Pippen's, but the "pippen" isn't the savior - he's the guy getting statistically-carried, so Ant needs to learn to carry his pippen's much better like Jordan did.. He can't think the pippen's save him - it's the other way around - the pippen is statistically-carried and saved, especially in the clutch and the pippen is a mental basket case as well.

Furthermore, Pippen entered the league as an 8 ppg rookie and he was eventually coddled by a system to achieve 15-20 ppg of mostly transition or flow points (system player).. Otoh, KAT was good from Day 1 and was All-NBA without needing to win titles first like Pippen - if Pippen hadn't won titles alongside Jordan and was losing in Washington every year, then he wouldn't develop as much and his weak production of 20 ppg and 5 apg wouldn't be recognized as All-NBA like it was alongside MJ and a dynasty.




Btw, Pippen nearly cost the Bulls the 98' season by getting surgery in the regular season instead of previous summer, and then this cost him the Finals where his broken back produced a 6 ppg player for the last 2 games - his surgery postponement caused him to break down on MJ in those Finals.. Of course, people also forget about his horrific performance in the 98' ECF that included missed FT's right before Miller's historic walk-off - this debacle ultimately caused a 7-game series and near-upset loss.. Then he choked in the 00' WCF with a 17-point lead in the 4th quarter of Game 7 to miss the Finals without MJ - compare that to Kyrie hitting big buckets and having goat clutch or Wade winning FMVP in 2006 and 2011 supposed to be).




KAT can do 2 things better than Pippen - shoot and iso - better shooting causes defenders to close out and good iso ability requires double-team considerations, so KAT was on scouting reports, while Pippen's weak iso or shooting left him off scouting reports, according to Shaq (here).

KAT's superior peak capability and ability to "go off" and therefore be on scouting reports is reflected in 13 forty point games in XXX games compared to 5 for Pippen in 1386 games (RS & PO).. KAT isn't primarily a dunker or transition player like the "system player" Pippen, who was absolute trash as a rookie and was eventually coddled by a system (nothing without it).

MJ isn't a shrimp like Ant - MJ was accustomed to guarding Barkley frequently in games against the Sixers, and also Worthy, Dominique, Drexler - these weren't mismatches for Jordan and he did a good job on them.

Otoh, MJ would score on Luka 100 out of 100 times.. case closed.. game over - Luka can't do that.

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Where did I say that Jordan's better FT percentage was because of better ball movement? Where did I correlate the 2?

I simply listed the categories that Jordan was better at, which included FT percentage, offensive rebounds, blocks per game, SPG, turnovers, scoring, and numerous other categories.

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All stats are from NBA.com (and linked below).. NBA.com defines "midrange" as shots inside 3-point line but outside paint:

.................eFG% All Jumpshots.................. Midrange

Lebron 2004.... 35.6%, 324/998............ 33.2%, 183/551
Lebron 2005.... 39.9%, 400/1136.......... 36.0%, 217/602
Lebron 2006.... 41.7%, 423/1166.......... 38.4%, 242/630
Lebron 2007.... 39.5%, 372/1066.......... 35.1%, 204/581
Lebron 2008.... 39.4%, 338/1001.......... 36.4%, 185/508
Lebron 2009.... 42.2%, 366/1024.......... 36.8%, 193/525
Lebron 2010.... 43.4%, 356/970............ 38.8%, 188/444
Lebron 2011.... 45.4%, 393/968............ 44.6%, 217/487
Lebron 2012.... 43.7%, 290/726............ 42.3%, 188/444
Lebron 2013.... 49.0%, 333/784............ 43.2%, 174/403
Lebron 2014.... 47.0%, 288/736............ 38.5%, 126/327
Lebron 2015.... 43.1%, 280/788............ 37.0%, 127/343
Lebron 2016.... 39.0%, 181/543............ 37.1%, 96/259
Lebron 2017.... 44.8%, 228/643............ 36.2%, 96/265
Lebron 2018.... 47.2%, 304/802............ 38.9%, 117/301
Lebron 2019.... 47.2%, 210/563............ 43.1%, 75/174
Lebron 2020.... 45.1%, 224/660............ 34.3%, 60/198


Bryant 2000.... 38.5%, 328/851.............. 39.7%, 201/506
Bryant 2001.... 43.0%, 460/1141............ 41.5%, 290/698
Bryant 2002.... 41.8%, 478/1184............ 40.9%, 321/785
Bryant 2003.... 44.1%, 597/1494............ 41.0%, 376/918
Bryant 2004.... 40.3%, 282/787.............. 38.3%, 151/394
Bryant 2005.... 43.5%, 346/947.............. 35.5%, 147/414
Bryant 2006.... 46.5%, 709/1724............. 42.4%, 414/976
Bryant 2007.... 46.7%, 556/1358............. 43.9%, 330/751
Bryant 2008.... 44.6%, 468/1217............ 38.8%, 256/660
Bryant 2009.... 45.0%, 519/1285............ 42.0%, 319/759


Jordan 1997.... 51.2%, 727/1528............. 48.9%, 588/1202


Currry 2015.... 56.0%, 424/1029............. 41.1%, 117/285
Currry 2016.... 60.8%, 525/1191............. 45.3%, 86/200

It's clear that MJ and Kobe have an unmatched combination of jumpshooting volume and efficiency, which allowed the greatest capacity for ball movement, chemistry and therefore a great-performing cast, aka great team.

So again, the only statistical categories that Lebron leads are defensive rebounds per game, APG, and TS, while MJ is superior in the categories of offensive rebounds, scoring, SPG, BPG, turnovers, FT %, jumpshooting efficiency (ball movement, team assists), PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48, clutch-time production and efficiency, game-winner frequency and efficiency, and much more.

Btw, Lebron's slight advantage in TS is due to a drive-heavy style where most shots are high-efficiency shots within 4 feet, which offsets weak FT and jumpshooting efficiency.

Seemed weird that you excluded MJ's 1998 season.

Wait, no it wasn't...

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When they talk about greatest peaks, this is what we are talking about.



Bron just edged out Jordan in ESPN voting for the greatest FMVP of all NBA history in his 2016 Championship.


Against a 73 win team. Down 3-1. Leading all players in points, assists, rebounds, steals and blocks.


Only Bron's brand of basketball could have pulled it off.

The obsession with long-2s itt is really weird.

I for one am shocked by this disingenuousness

With 80s/90s rules?

I hate the Knicks, but I won't stand for this Knicks slander

If Starks doesn't go 2-18 in Game 7, the Knicks chip in 94.

Mj made him go 2-18 because he's the GOAT.

His shadow.

I mean. .

What can I say

It isn't me.. It's bball 101- ball movement has the capacity for great development of chemistry over time, while ball-domination is BAD chemistry and therefore relies on talent (more help).. We see that ball-domination works until the championship level, where it has a lottery record

Carry on in your state of lesser enlightenment.. One can only guess that your lower understanding of this topic and easy swaying of your brain translates to all all areas of life. Misperceiving basically everything..

But again. Carry on.. What do I know.. What do I understand

Sounds like you're coming around to the triangle offense.

The funniest part is that now we'll watch Nick Wright, Broussard and the rest of the Klutch minions do a complete 180 and say the Celtics are an all-time team.

They aren't, but we've seen ordinary teams like the 14' Spurs make ball-domination look like a beginner brand of ball that it is.. Now we're seeing another ordinary team embarrass ball-domination - because the Celtics ARE ordinary... Remember?? Tatum stinks.... Right??

The triangle has been roundly rejected and a colossal embarrassment everywhere it's been used - a laughing stock where the players are like "wait.. what???.. wtf is this garbage?? Is coach serious??. Get this trash out of here"

Only MJ or his clone won with it, and it took the GOAT tolerate the offense to begin with and lay the blueprint for Kobe - the GOAT was so great that Kobe is basically a continuation of MJ's legacy.. Similarly, it looks like Luka's impending lottery record on the championship level will be a continuation of LeBron-ball

With great chemistry development in hand, Tatum can just sit back and let his team's superior chemistry do the job against this weak Finals opponent - the Mavs are a version of bron-ball, aka the worst Finals record brand of ball... So when it's time to take over, Tatum will be FRESH... Ball-dominant opponents are SO easy to beat in the Finals because they lose the attrition battle... The ball-domination lets defenses rest, so they have more capacity for offense - more capacity to "get hot", which is what we always saw from opponents against LeBeginner-ball

Tatum 16 pts on 6/16 shooting, 6 turnovers.

“Ordinary” Celtics third highest net rating of all time

Fraudguy doesn’t know ball

6-16 for 16 points with 6 turnovers = high level basketball, chemistry, ball movement.


fraudball delivering fraud.

Lebron first 3 games of 2013 Finals:

16.7 ppg on 39%


(locked up by Diaw and allowed to take open jumpers.. lebron's 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 games and needed Ray to force Game 7. . Overall, the Heat didn't win with Lebron on the floor in the series due to zero plus-minus for Lebron in the series and negative net rating)