Safe to say Newton/Luck/RG3 are all physical freaks for the position in some way. Only thing is RG3s height, but if Brees can get by at 6'0" I wouldn't be that put off. RG3's the same height as Rodgers, Romo & Stafford and they all seem to manage so w/e. Just a matter of how quickly and how well he can adjust to the NFL game, Newton set the bar pretty high for a rookie last year. Especially with the change and the short offseason.

That, and he'll need to be a little better than Vick at avoiding injury.

5.28 40? Isn't that slower than a lot of Offensive linemen?

i think RG3 is going to be a semi-bust and i'm 100% serious on this.

he didn't play against top flight SEC defenses and now it's the big leagues. he's in trouble. plus washington has no draft for the next few years

RG3 actually works hard tho. One does not simply become a "thin version of jamarcus russell" because you have to be a lazy piece of **** to even come close.

To answer my own question, a 5.28 40 time would put Brady in the top quarter of offensive linemen.

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/2...rtyTime&pos=OL

I think most people just assume that offensive lineman are fat POSs, but they are amazingly quick for their size. Even 5.28 40 is still pretty fast.

Rich Eisen vs a 350 lb nose tackle in the 40 yd dash.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i28MU8-lcw

I don't think RG3 will run the ball anywhere near as much as Cam did. Yes he was a track star, but a lot of the "RG3 is a great running QB" hype comes from racist stereotypes imo. Their college rushing stats in their final year at school:

Cam: 264 attempts for 1473 yards(5.6 average), 20 TDs
RG3: 179 attempts for 699 yards(3.9 average), 10 TDs


The reason that RG3 is seen as a better prospect than Cam(remember that many people heavily criticized Cam coming into the NFL, and he wasn't thought of as a super elite prospect) is solely due to his passing ability. Here were their passing stats:

Cam: 185/280(66.1%) for 2854 yards, 30 TDs, 7 INTs
RG3: 291/402(72.4%) for 4293 yards, 37 TDs, 6 INTs


RG3 will be a great athlete who uses his athleticism to move around in the pocket in order to set up throws most of the time. He won't be a run-first QB. I think Steve Young is the best comparison.


So is it your opinion that any player who doesn't play in the best defensive conference and goes to a team that traded multiple drafts picks to select him will be a bust or is there more to your argument than that?

What if some team had offered the Colts a ton of picks(lets say 4 1st rounders) for the rights to draft Andrew Luck? Would you then say that Luck would be a semi-bust due to the same reasoning? Don't you think theres more to evaluating prospects than these two pieces of criteria? Also if we are giving someone credit for playing against SEC defenses then don't we have to recognize that he has SEC level talent around him on offense?

Yeah, I'm about as dutifully obnoxious an SEC homer as you can find, but I don't give a **** who you're playing against, a 72% completion percentage is ridiculous. Breaking the all-time passer rating record is ridiculous.

I'm genuinely curious as to if people really think Griffin will be a bust, and if so, why. Anything is possible, but the guy has as many things going for him as any QB prospect I can think of in the last ten years.

Shame he has to waste his talents in the NFL

Well I agree on how RG3 will be used and his strengths. I wasn't trying to say RG3 was going to run a lot in the NFL. I was just pointing out his athleticism at the QB position. I think he'll use it effectively as I said before to avoid contact and buy time inside and outside the pocket with his mobility. Cam Newton can withstand the hits because of his size. RG3 isn't going to play that way, at least I hope not. He'll run when he has to, or when the defense leaves it open alla Steve Young like you said. One huge difference between him and Steve Young tho... Steve Young was no where near his level of pure athleticism and speed imo. It's not just stereotypes that RG3 can run. The guy is fast. Comparing his senior year to Cam Newton is going to make him look bad, but 179 rush attempts for 700 yards and 10 TD's by a QB when you factor how much he threw the ball in the Baylor offense I think shows his ability.

For the people thinking RG3 is going to bust think again because he's not Vince Young. RG3 has too much character and natural throwing ability on top of being a great athlete. Redskins aren't that bad they've just needed a QB for the last decade! They refused to address the problem for reasons unknown, but they'll throw down 120 mill on a DT. Thats a problem. They really tried with McNabb... but he was already toast unfortunately.

i'm just messing around.... i think the guy is going to be superb, hall of fame written all over him. only wish he was playing for the bengals instead of the redskins. i love the bengals and the browns

Kellen Moore going to be > Griffin

heard it here first guys

I've heard it other places before actually, so if Moore ends up being > Griffin I will NOT be giving you credit as the first person to predict it

lol I don't even know if he got drafted... but I've heard that before too. He has all-time college records so they think he is a sleeper.

RG lll more like RG lol

Moore didn't get drafted, he is currently 3rd-string for the Lions

Moore needs to get in a tragic farm accident that rips his arm off so it can be replaced with a bionic for him to have any future as an NFL QB. His only serious chance is to start throwing with his right arm because his left arm could be called Tebowesque but that would be an insult to Tebow's arm.

There's really nothing about RG3 that would lead me to think he's a high bust risk, other than the fact that high picks just tend to bust fairly regularly. His only real knock is not coming from a pro offense. Otherwise he's got the physical talent and seems pretty sharp, plus no persistent injury problems and seems to have a decent character too. Sometimes it doesn't come together for whatever reason, or they run bad with injuries or a terrible lol franchise.

well confirmed HOF now, that settles it

Favre makes a great point, if the Colts can't protect Luck he'll have to run, and since Luck is basically as immobile as QBs get in the pocket, RGIII def has a big edge there...

Luck did play behind a great O-line in college, gonna be interesting to see how he copes with less decision time in the pocket and more physical punishment.

Probably the same way Peyton did: Throw a ton of passes, throw a ton of picks, but unlikely Peyton, he can try and run some.

He'll be fine.