God this is such a vapid and tired conversation. Iverson's Law has been attained yet again.

He is so right. Personally I wouldn't get rid of the entire team. I'd keep some of the guys playing in Europe and get rid of several MLS guys.

it's fun to theorize. The Germans are currently the best at the game of soccer... and the team isn't full of nationalized players iykwim

Nope. The fact that all African-African-Americans aren't elite soccer players despite soccer being the biggest sport there doesn't hurt the case that any tall African-American would be Ronaldo at all.

Kinda strange since Iverson dedicated himself to basketball and Nash was better than him.

I meant there's a gorgeous brand of futbol played on the African continent. We don't need to speculate about deion and allen in a different life errr

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Agree with JJ. MLS is fine for guys like Dempsey or Howard at the tail end of their careers, but Morris basically nuked his career taking the MLS route.

Iverson: "we're talking about soccer practice, practice man"

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or maybe Morris just isn't very good

the next Wondo is probably his max level tbh

as did Besler and Zusi

no such photo opportunity next summer, Matt

Well, he isn't, but Werder Bremen still wanted him.

But you don't need to take those kinds of risks with your career to stay on the NT when your competition is Wondo and Gyasi Zardes.

300lb fat asses can't run.

Same **** itt for years, "if only our guys didn't play NBA/MLB/NFL we'd be great". Well, they do and you aren't great. Get used to it.

The idea that specific skill sets translates from one sport to another is just wrong. Sure if a kid is an amazing athlete he'll be a three sport star in high school - but almost no one is able to compete at an elite level in one sport, much less two - this is why Deion Sanders and Bo Jackson were so so special.

To act like dribbling a basketball and dribbling a soccer ball have much in common, just because in English we use the same word for both and both involve coordination, is mildly stupid at best. The chances that any NBA point guards would have been better at soccer than even someone as bad as Altidore are minimal. Altidore for all his uselessness is a professional soccer player. Only people who have never been elite at anything are able to think that it's just a matter of having base athleticism and working hard.

Being elite at chess doesn't translate to being elite at poker and vice-versa. Maybe you're typical elite chess player can learn to be a good recreational poker player, but that's about all. The situation is the same with sports.

Also you're grossly underestimating the athleticism of top soccer players. It's just that the particular athletic skills and talents are different than what is needed for football/basketball/baseball. When I say Iniesta isn't a physical beast, I'm comparing him to someone like Roberto Carlos, who could play with hookers till 5am every night and come to work with those cannons in his legs still firing. What Iniesta can do with the ball at his feet is nothing short of remarkable, and of course he's much stronger than he looks. You're typical NBA point guard has never in his life had any hope of doing this.

This completely ignores the fact that the majority of top-tier soccer players in the US come from a completely different socio-economic profile than literally almost every other top-tier professional athlete in the country in major sports (football, basketball and baseball) and one that is also different from almost every other top tier soccer player in the world.

Face it, we are the country club kids trying to compete in a sport which isn't for country club kids.

Slow clap.

I would be shocked if there isn't massive correlation between the ability to be good at chess and the ability to be good at poker. just look at how some 90% of pro daily fantasy players were pro poker players.

the post above is right. the US soccer system develops the players whose parents pay the most money to get them developed. this is the core problem and what whoever the next president is should be fixing. I dont even know how thats arguable

But surfers have a different skill set

I may be misunderstanding the argument itt, but I thought the issue was these elite nbaers would not dominate in soccer bc our youth coaching and developmental programs are garbage. not bc they dont have the inherent capacity.

Is that true?

Clark, if you mod me I promise to do absolutely nothing except lock this thread when it cyclically devolves into this.

yeah, i'm not disputing the athleticism of top players. i just don't watch the usmnt play and typically come away thinking that the issues are related to athleticism (not talking about this particular squad, which was old). can't say i have seen every single national team game, but i watch soccer with reasonable consistency and feel that they have enough pure athleticism to compete. if the point is that the better athletes are more likely to achieve higher skill levels, then i don't really agree with that either-- though they would certainly leverage their skills more effectively. i saw a video where an analyst, think he was english, said that he came to america around the same time that gulati became president of usa soccer and that he had not really observed improvement in the overall technical level of play by the team during this span.

maybe i have also misunderstood the arguments, but it seems like many people are saying putting our top tier athletes into soccer would make the team competitive at the highest level. i agree with what victor said wrt player dev. think i said the same thing in a previous post

edit: also i don't think people americans who follow soccer underrate the athleticism of soccer players

I can't help but wonder if baseball and football being the USA's primary sports works to our detriment when it comes to soccer. In football, and especially baseball, what you do to contribute to winning both individually and in the team context are basically the same whether you're 5 or playing professionally. Whereas if you've ever watched organized kids soccer in the US it's basically a joke and nothing the kids are doing appears, at least to me, to be developing genuine skill that would contribute to winning soccer at higher levels. Most of the kids would be better off kicking the ball against a wall practicing their footwork.

I mean we have as many people as all of Western Europe. This argument is so stupid. Always peaks when Iverson is brought up.

aren't you from england?