Could be a double whammy as this win gives Canada a much better shot at getting into the hex. Right now El Salvador is sitting in 6th and they're much worse than Canada imo.

u hate to see it

But you priz and all the other MLS stans told us that would never happen! And that Paxton Pomykal was months away from a move to Europe! Open your eyes you delusional know nothings who've had your head in the sand for the past decade

Until they take a hard stance on accepting MLS players in the national team this trend will only continue to spiral downhill like it had for the past 10 years and like I've been saying for the past 10 years. Enjoy your New England Revolution v Orlando Pride meaningless regular season games and MLS Cup though!

I never said any of those things, but keep going, you've been so wrong these past few months you're making a legit run at prizm for the crown. How did ATL Utd winning the East go?

I think most would agree that Pulisic, Sarge, and McKennie are no-brainer starters, but even those guys were trash for the 60 minutes they got together. Everyone sucks right now, not just the MLS guys.

Messi would be (and has been) trash when playing with players as bad as Gyassi Zardes and Jordan Morris and all these other absolutely horrible losers. All these grandiose visions of MLS being/becoming a good league have been bought hook line and sinker by USMNT (and the majority of this thread)

They came in 2nd grade after taking the first month of the season off because lol MLS you can take an entire month off and be completely unaffected because the league is a joke where everyone makes the playoffs which was always the original point and has played out

Canada really could make the Hex now that they have two good players that can score and a few other decent players.

I hope we don't qualify for Qatar. Didn't watch a minute of the game, no need.

messi has never played with anyone as bad as these two. impossible.

No he hasnt. I apologize for the hyperbole.

But the Dallas Academy!!! MLS!

You don't even make sense.

The talent pool is trash right now. Doesn't matter if USA had sent all these "horrible losers" over to Europe to flounder like other untalented players like Bobby Wood and Julian Green.

Guys like McKennie, Pulisic, and Sargent should be carrying the team. MLS isn't holding them back.

There are a # of really young guys already in Europe. The hope is that in 2+ years those guys will be big contributors. But it's not like if Daniel Lovitz or Zardes had been in Europe all these years that they would be USMNT superstars. They'd still be irrelevant.

Bottom line, doesn't matter where your guys are playing if they flat out aren't that good.

Did Zardes start LFC?

At least they're producing a handful of players who are now in the mix as USMNT starters. Having a dozen academies just like that would be an awesome step for the USMNT. You can argue what to do with them once they turn 18, but the fact is the player pool needs to get much deeper otherwise the Europe/MLS debate is moot.

Bobby Wood is 10x better than Jordan Morris and Gyassi Zardes and you dont even have to rate Bobby Wood to state that.

Why is the talent pool trash? Because the goal now is to get to MLS and USMNT is happy to take players from MLS because the made the ALL STAR GAME to get run by Juventus u21 team. The only time any MLS player plays against good competition is when they're on their preseason tour. Imagine that. You play in a league where you play another teams preseason in the middle of your actual season?

It should be completely unacceptable to play in MLS and be in a selection pool for USMNT barring 1 or 2 exceptions. We obviously suck anyway. It cant get worse than these MLS all stars so play the kids in Europe and get them used to playing together and set the tone that MLS is not an acceptable league to play international football.

how does the "bradley"s not being able to hang with vela, or zlatan, or josef, or phonzie, etc etc etc mean that mls sucks?

anyway


and unless i'm mistaken, he still hasn't started in the bundesliga yet


those other superstars are:

gk - milan borjan (red star belgrade, serbia)
cb - steven vitoria (moreirense, portugal)
cm - scott arfield (rangers, scotland)
fw - jonathan david (gent, belgium)

and early sub liam fraser (tfc, mls) on for mark-anthony kaye (lafc, mls)

Well that's part of the point. MLS has brought us down to CONCACAF level while bringing them up to our level (meeting somewhere in the middle). What's more amazing from that stat is the CANADA has 5 guys playing in Europe.

Good point in Zlatan. Guy is well beyond is prime and can dominate MLS whenever he feels like it. Do you think hes still good enough to be playing for Sweden?

serious question: how did usa#1 develop players before 1994?

Another question: how is Ecuador so good?

Their league is way worse than MLS yet like half of their callups come from there. They even have 4 MLS guys and 3 Liga MX guys in the mix. They have at most 3-4 guys who have played in Europe and been in the starting lineup over the last few years. Everyone else comes from leagues on par with MLS or worse.

The difference is that they have a much larger pool of talented players, but they don't even necessarily have to play in elite leagues to show international results. They just need to be good.

The fact that you think MLS is a better league than the Brazilian league really makes the discussion not even worth having. I would also argue that a team good enough to get into the Libertadores and even get out of the group stages, is much better than any MLS team and the Libertadores is obviously a much much much better competition than MLS.

Beyond that, yea being born in a less well off country with a ball at your feet is ideal to build a player pool. We don't have that but that doesn't mean MLS is the answer because Ecuador did it! Also we should have much higher aspirations than Ecuador and at a minimum be getting to the levels we were at consistently or the past 2 decades. Dual nationals > MLS development academies too but we fired the coach who actually recruited a ton of good (better?) players who were good enough to play in Europe so that we can hire MLS stan Bruce Arena and MLS stan Greg Berhalter

Ecuador is good bc of altitude. Look at their home/away splits.

lol

They have few players playing in Argentina or Brazil. I wouldn't argue MLS is better than either.