You cite hypothetical fan opinion, as if it means anything. Most fans outside the US think our team is terrible even though they never watch us nor really know anything about us.

lol, that's because they don't have to... (watch,know anything)

yeah totally agree, knowledge is overrated.

USA 1 Guadalupe 0

gg

OGKUSH,

I think playing USA over Mexico is a snapcall at this very moment, but do not think it has been true over the last decade, and for most teams the answer would be it doesn't matter much.

I don't know why you always bring up the "Who would the rest of the world rather play?" thing. It's really incredibly stupid.

There are plenty of much better ways to measure who the better side is.

You could compare how they do against the same teams in important games (like, I don't know, comparing their points in the hex and seeing that the USA just edged it).

Or you could compare results when they play each other in important games (In the past cycle, USA 2 MEX 1 GC Final, USA 2 MEX 0 in Columbus, MEX 2 USA 1 in Azteca).

When you do this, you see two teams that are extremely evenly matched, with the USA edging things over this past period of 5-10 years or whatever.

Or, you could keep on insisting that your guess, based on nothing, of what unnamed other people, almost all of which aren't intimately familiar with the two squads/pools, would think of their teams chances against our two teams, is the best metric to compare the two teams. Makes sense.

Of course when your response to "scoreboard" is "who would you rather play", you've already lost, both the argument, and you know, on the field.

It's a good thing Mexico plays better than he posts.

ogkush has actually lowered my opinion of mexico over the years, something I thought not possible

I've made this point before as well, but Mexico's wide open approach to better teams is a big part of their failures in big matches. I'm pretty sure that Argentina rather play someone who will get stretched in Mexico than an organized and counter heavy American squad.

It's like soooooooooo pretty though

lol at mexicans understanding variance

I know how to fix soccer, it's simple. The best thing soccer has right now are some of the creative celebrations, so run with it. The winner of the soccer game is the team who has the most celebration points.

Celebration points are awarded 1-10 and can only be earned after a goal. Down 2-0 with 2 minutes left? Normally you have no chance in soccer. Not now though, not now. Now you just need one goal and to perform that celebration you've been working on the past few days to perfection and you can tie it up or win.

I've heard worse ideas.

i dont want to get in an argument like OGKUSH, but this is so ridiculous that i have to respond to this. There is absolutely no way in hell Argentina would rather Mexico than USA. They wont admit it, but they hate playing us. In 2005, we outclassed them at the Confed Cup (we lost to penalties of course). In 2006, there were long stretches in that game where Mexico just dominated Argentina. I blame the loss on the stupid ref for not sending Heinze off. And they got through with the luckiest goal ever. **** you maxi. and at last years world cup, we had the clearest chance of the game before the stupid **** assistant forgot to call offside.


The friendly that USA played against Argentina a few months ago was USA's then starting XI against their B team and they absolutely dominated USA. the score shouldn't have been close. i get that its a friendly so it shouldn't even matter, but thats the only game in recent memory where they have played each other.

So in conclusion, ikes, you're wrong.

when talent is comparable (and it is regardless of what madness you may spout), I would try to avoid the team with the higher WIM every time. and USA has the highest WIM of them all.

whitegoose needs to get into soccer

I live in Argentina, and I can attest that your average Argentine has much less respect for the US national team than Mexico's. People are always shocked when I tell them that we've dominated Mexico over the last decade. Mexico arguably outplayed Argentina in the 2006 and 2010 World Cup matches (although they sorta lost their composure once the ref gifted Argentina the lead in 2010) though, I'll definitely grant you that. A sample size of two is pretty small though, especially when the result is unfavorable.

Even so, I think I agree more with the substance of ikes argument. I'd rather have a counter-attacking team face Argentina than try to control the ball with less technical ability.


This is false. Argentina had its first choice lineup on the field, Batista was experimenting a little bit. After the game, he said that the first half was the best Argentine performance under his tenure, better even than victories over Spain and Portugal.

what is WIM?

Annnnd you refute something you feel to be untrue with something that also isn't entirely accurate. Cambiaso, Zanetti, Messi, Mascherano, Di Maria... these guys all played. Not exactly what I'd call a B team.

The opposite of WIL.

irresistible Force meets Immovable Object

Well, I didn't account for the fact that casual argentinian fan is ******ed.

Weren't you educated in America? If so I'm sad for us

it goes beyond just not paying attention to other countries' national teams, i think. South Americans tend to only respect very technical, ball-control approaches to the game.