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I'd like to believe that USA #1 best prospects (i.e. pulisic) are smart enough to try to play in Europe and have zero aspirations to play MLS until they are near retirement age.

Jordan Morris would like to have a word

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02-10-2018 , 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by kidcolin

this is a fair point, and it's fair to say MLS isn't THE problem, but it's a problem. Much of the problem with the MLS, and this is what Cameron is saying, is that our good players get comfortable and uncompetetive. Sure, some T&T players are in the MLS, but that's an achievement for them, and they bust ass to maintain it. A guy like Michael Bradley? Or Landon back in the day? They came back and they raked. They could play at 70% in the domestic league and crush. Then when you go to int'l competition, you aren't sharp, and your effort is lacking. Effort and great conditioning goes a long way in fitba, both of which get diminished by playing in a league below your skill level.

:thumb

Exactly. This is the step up for the T&T and Panama players (and coincidentally a step down for us).

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Originally Posted by thedinergetsby

If 72off actually read the article I'm sure he'd understand. The relative quality of MLS isn't the problem. It's the attitude behind the MLS/USSF. If a kid is good enough to go to europe and he asks his coach "My dream is to get to Europe, please help me." Instead of 100% of coaches/administrators responding "Yes, let's make a plan, I'll do everything I can". 50% respond "No, it's best for you to stay here in USA#1 for us." And that's ****ing ridiculous and detrimental to our NT

Bingo

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02-10-2018 , 10:24 AM

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The point in Cameron’s article was that MLS should be a stepping stone to playing in Europe not the end goal for players. A true athlete should be striving to be playing the top competition and improving not being complacent with their dog in MLS. Starting here is fine for a couple years is fine but players and teams should be looking to move. MLS needs to change the rules about clubs getting the transfer money to encourage selling players too.

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02-10-2018 , 10:27 AM

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None of this is news really. Jurgen’s eternal fight was against the huge MLS influence in USSF that had/has goals that directly conflict with maximizing our national team’s performance.

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02-10-2018 , 10:28 AM

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Btw Jurgen shared the Cameron article on Facebook. For a dude who has been all class since leaving, that speaks volumes.

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02-10-2018 , 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by loosekanen

This thread always ****s on MLS but honestly, what's the solution? American kids can't go abroad until they're 18 unless they qualify for a Euro passport. By then many developmental ships have already sailed. There's nothing under our control to fix that other than improving the quality of youth development in the states which, imo, is exactly where the focus needs to be. Spend **** tons of money to train **** tons of coaches and then fund developmental centers outside MLS academies in like 20 places. It's not MLS' fault that they want to see the best possible return on players that come through their academies.

Duffman gets it

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02-10-2018 , 11:19 AM

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Sounds like the marketing woman is a co-favorite to win. Isn’t that like worst case scenario?

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02-10-2018 , 11:37 AM

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Sounds like the marketing woman is a co-favorite to win. Isn’t that like worst case scenario?

that is my understanding, yes

that she is the establishment choice connected to Gulati etc

(but tbf i've read basically nothing about any of this)

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Incompetent, understaffed, and racist. But hey we made $100 million dollars. Wtf. Why is US Soccer worried about maximizing profit and not ****ing winning.

I knew something was really wrong when Wynalda published an open letter about his campaign for president and the focus was on transparency in vendor bids. Like wtf no one ****ing cares about that Eric. We want to win, we have talent and resources. And we are somehow going backwards!

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Originally Posted by 72off

ya same with Kathy Carter (Soccer United Marketing president), who is supposedly one of the front-runners afaik. think she's being supported by the outgoing guy, and thought i saw that even Billy Boy Simba said that she'd be perfect for the job. oh yeah, why?
(i guess she must be connected to all the LA money ppl in his network)

US Soccer!
1. profit
2. ???
3. profit

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Originally Posted by domer2

this should dissuade any rational person from thinking SUM should get more power than it has already...

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Kyle Martino took the criticism a step further, making an assertion (unsupported by any previously known evidence) that SUM controlled the decision to stage the U.S.-Costa Rica World Cup qualifier at Red Bull Arena in Harrison, N.J., in September to prioritize profit from attracting the greatest number of Costa Rica fans. (The U.S. ended up losing the game 2-0.)

Martino wrote: “U.S. Soccer and MLS leaders one time sat on SUM board with an equity stake in the company, which could still be the case. I hope that as the campaign progresses my fellow candidate Kathy Carter will help make these relationships clear to the members and the soccer community. U.S. Soccer’s conflict of interest policy excludes SUM, which makes it possible for a SUM employee to be President of US Soccer or a US Soccer employee to be paid by SUM. Ethics authorities have told me that this arrangement is the reason conflict of interest policies exist. The contract SUM has with U.S. Soccer has never been bid out and the specifics of the deal have never been made public. All we know is the contract expires in 2022.”

Martino went on: “There are many perceived conflicts of interest but a clear way the arrangement affects the players was the decision to have a World Cup qualifier at Red Bull Arena against Costa Rica. Home World Cup qualifiers are crucial, which is why home teams go to great lengths to tip the competitive advantage in their favor. Even the length of the grass is meticulously planned. Having played Costa Rica in a WCQ at old Saprissa Stadium I can tell you this from personal experience, it was terrifying.

“SUM is the marketing partner for CONCACAF so it made a business decision, without consulting the coach of the National Team, to prioritize profit, which gave our competition an advantage by hosting a game in a location that would produce the highest turnout of their fans. Bryan Ruiz spoke in an interview after the game about how enjoyable it was to play in front of so many of their fans saying, ‘We felt very, very comfortable.’ This decision contributed to the U.S. failing to qualify for the World Cup in Russia, costing our federation tens of millions of dollars in lost revenue. It’s a decision that never would have been made without this conflict of interest.”

also read something yesterday about how all the sniping among all the other candidates will probably allow her to win, how they need to bang together and rally around 1 person (e.g. Martino) to prevent that from happening

has anyone read the various proposals from the candidates?
if so, do any of them have positive ideas for player development?

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02-10-2018 , 12:25 PM

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We're victims of our own success. This is all very frustrating. We fans have proven that we're willing to spend enough to make tons of money for USSF even after given a poor/mediocre product and so they all want to vote for the status quo to make more money. I don't know what to do other than boycott the only team I truly care about in competitive sports. Brutal.

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02-10-2018 , 12:37 PM

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Carlos codeiro new president of USSF. Nothing changes going forward

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02-10-2018 , 12:39 PM

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What success have we had?

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02-10-2018 , 12:44 PM

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Carlos codeiro new president of USSF. Nothing changes going forward

who dat?

http://www.espn.com/soccer/united-st...cer-federation

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A former Goldman Sachs executive, Cordeiro was considered one of two business-oriented, establishment candidates -- along with SUM president Kathy Carter -- though during his campaign he called for considerable restructuring of the federation.

Cordeiro's election deals a blow to those who called for changes in the sport's national governing body after the World Cup qualifying failure, such as former U.S. players Eric Wynalda, Kyle Martino, Paul Caligiuri and Hope Solo, whose candidacies all came up short.

It's also a mediocre result for Major League Soccer, which had supported Carter, the president of the league's marketing arm, Soccer United Marketing.

lol

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02-10-2018 , 12:47 PM

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What success have we had?

fiscal success. USSF made 100 million bucks. That's successful. Everyone voting has a stake in that money. Why should they rock the boat? That's what I meant.

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02-10-2018 , 12:53 PM

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fiscal success. USSF made 100 million bucks. That's successful. Everyone voting has a stake in that money. Why should they rock the boat? That's what I meant.

And this is one of the biggest problems with the people in charge. They think fiscal success is more important then on field success so nothing is going to change.

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02-10-2018 , 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by UPnAdam720

100% this

MLS should be a great thing and used for the reasons above. But it's been and will continue to be the exact opposite

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02-10-2018 , 01:07 PM

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Seriously, the VP was elected?

US Soccer is a total disaster, jesus christ

Like how the **** is this even possible that we didn't clean house immediately? We were scarily close to Gulati being re-elected, too.

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02-10-2018 , 01:10 PM

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LOL USA Soccer forever and ever. The future is that **** we put out against Bosnia the other night. Bunch of the best Americans in MLS All-Star teams to get pummeled by Europe's B-teams and CONCACAF

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02-10-2018 , 01:15 PM

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Normalized institutional corruption is a hell of a drug. Engler taking over at MSU. Cordeiro elected new president of USSF. It's horrifying to me how poor of an understanding of power structures even the "somewhat informed" pockets of our society have. Meaningful reform is impossible in a lot of cases and that is no mistake.

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02-10-2018 , 01:41 PM

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Carlos codeiro new president of USSF. Nothing changes going forward

same as it ever was
same as it ever was

/sigh, so much for any learning about what just happened. Let's just operate like a big ole bizness and reap profits while stunting actual growth and progress. I certainly look forward to watching more dudes who look like me consistently fail to qualify for the world cup (or barely qualify).

BUT THE USSF IS $100M IN THE BLACK!!!! SUCCESSS!!!!

fun time

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02-10-2018 , 02:07 PM

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I guess reports that the 6 “change” candidates would combine support after the first vote or two were false. I’m holding out some small hope that the new president has a deal with either Wynalda or Martino to make them in charge of the soccer side of things and let the president handle the business side.

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02-10-2018 , 02:18 PM

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all the ppl in the world and you want Wynalda or Martino to run the soccer side of things? lol

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02-10-2018 , 02:28 PM

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https://www.theguardian.com/football...arlos-cordeiro

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Soccer is the most expensive sport for children to play – some US Soccer-affiliated teams charge $4,000 per season for players to take part

what in the actual ****!?

think i may have identified the problem...

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02-10-2018 , 02:31 PM

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That's ridiculous. The game's calling card has always been how easy it is to grasp and get into. Muricans really find a way to ruin everything with a good dose of CAPITALISM

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02-10-2018 , 02:33 PM

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all the ppl in the world and you want Wynalda or Martino to run the soccer side of things? lol

Not really, no. But, it was them or Gultai-esque people. So, I'd rather take Martino or Wynalda who want to make more sweepinng changes that could have a drastic and positive effect for all of US Soccer.