Yeah what he’s saying is so obvious. The only thing that could’ve justified that change was if JK had in fact totally lost the locker room. Which is possible despite Cameron’s support here.

It's harder to imagine putting the bar lower.

Pro MLS dudes have been awfully quiet itt

I dont hate on MLS just for the sake of hating on MLS. I do think its kinda funny to talk about how it sucks, I'll be honest. But I'm glad for it and think the product isn't all that bad. But let's not pretend its something it isn't which is what MLS fans have been doing for a loooooooong time.

I think MLS - Atlanta in particular - is finding out that latin America is the way this league might get really recognized and improved. There's no reason why latin american players who aren't good enough to make the jump directly to UEFA clubs can't make a stop here to really prove themselves.

Totally agree. I think it's great we have a domestic league. I also think it's unacceptable for players with USMNT aspirations to be playing in our domestic league.

We've fallen so far. I am the first to LOL friendlies, but that squad we picked for Bonsia B was essentially a domestic MLS all-star team and it was a ****ing dreadful product at home vs. a tiny nation's B-Team.

It's a great league to have to get players noticed and hopefully move on somewhere else if the lol MLS transfer rules let them, but there have been some itt defending guys like Bradley moving to MLS in the prime of his career and guys like JMo shunning moves to Europe to stay home. The new hierarchy of US Soccer has to make it clear that this is completely unacceptable.

I watched the league last year and the quality is very poor. There were some standout players that opened my eyes, but it's also relative to the quality of the league. That said I'm completely with you on raising the quality of the league by paying guys from South America before they are in their prime/past their prime and maybe in 10-20 years we have something (a lot of other changes need to happen to the format of MLS but that's for another discussion). But for now our players with potential cannot be rotting away and regressing in MLS or we will have some more missed World Cups in our future and recycle the Bruce Arena's of the world to lead us into oblivion

I don't see why we can't be an Eredivisie quality league or approaching that. But to your point about international teams, even the Dutch wouldn't want the majority of their roster to come from players currently playing in that league.

100% spot on right here. We should be able to pay these players much more then they make in South/Central America which should entice them to come to MLS before making that big move to Europe.

Again, spot on. No reason why we can't have a better quality league then what we currently have.

Not sure if a good sign that liverpool fans agree with me (i support liverpool too lol)

My new dream is MLS merges with Liga MX, since Liga MX is like 10x better and the style of play is both far more appealing and would do US players some good to get exposure to.

something something border walls

I don't disagree but I don't think MLS will ever get out of it's own way to let this happen. A lot of format things would need to change to get there imo, some in MLS control some not.

First of all the awful meaningless regular season needs to be done away with, as does the awful playoff format. Nobody watches the playoffs, nobody cares, it drags on forever, it is so disjointed. The regular season is also meaningless cuz any half decent team makes the playoffs and there's little incentive to "win" the regular season or push for a strong finish.

They need to play competitive games in a meaningful international competition and take it seriously. Right now the CONCACAF Champions League is what they have where at least they get to play a few games against good Liga MX teams. To be competitive they'll likely need to change their calendar, which I admit, the only reason I ever go to MLS games is because it's in the summer when nothing is going on. But I also find the league tedious and boring formatwise, so maybe if there was more to root for I'd go more. I get MLS is in a bind here.

To your Eredivise example the league itself is decent, far better than MLS obv, but they also get their best teams to play in the Champions League and Europa League and play against Europe's best teams/teams from all over the continent. The best Dutch players in this league, as you rightly point out, get exposure to the big clubs and you end up most of the national team playing for the top 10-15 clubs in the world. They're not spurning moves to Chelsea, Liverpool, United, Bayern, Barca, to stay home and play in their ****ing domestic league.

Definitely and this is absolutely the way forward. I admit I found Atlanta United fun to watch last season, especially at home. Almiron and Martinez were so much better than everyone and I hope this trend continues. However, a good portion of the players they had to play with were such a lower quality, that it prevents it from progressing to being a really good product. NYCFC were a striking example of this too for me everytime I watched them and it's really rampant across the league. MLS needs to pay the squad guys not just the stars to improve their product. Then they need to realize it's good for the league if someone like this Barco kid bosses MLS for a couple years and gets a move to a mid-table Europe club. I think I read his contract basically has it set up that way, but that has to be the norm for any good MLS player, MOST of all the USMNT guys.

All that MLS has done is got the players from lesser CONCACAF nations (i.e. not Mexico) to play against each other every week. It's watered down the pool and caused our once dominant side to regress while raising the level of the Honduras' and Panama's to our level. It should be our guys playing at a higher level in Europe and raising our game instead of regressing and playing to the level of T&T and Jamaica dudes each week

Nah it's that we need to give teams to Becks FC and like Nashville to dilute the league as much as possible

There is talk of an annual match between champ of liga mx and mls. I know it's only 1 match per year but it will give mls teams an idea of how poor they are vs. Mexico's best teams

they are aware

Preseason teams against mid season teams MLS doesn't have a chance, until they adjust their schedule. That's why the champ v champ will be a better measure of quality.

Aron J actually had a good game today

Cameron dropping more truths. This article is so spot on and so correct and so good. iso: ikestoys. LOL MLS. The world is laughing at you too

What Must Change in US Soccer -- by Geoff Cameron

wait did ikes think it was fine for good US players to languish in MLS? Jesus christ that guy is wrong about literally everything. Sports, politics, you name it.

You guys think MLS is a tool to improve the USMNT, I think the USMNT is a tool to improve MLS. So yes, Pulisic in the Western Conference would be awesome.

Jesus that's like saying it would be awesome if steph curry played in the Lithuanian pro league. It'd be great for the Lithuanian league, but man what a waste

If I gave a **** about the Lithuanian pro league I would def think that.

If you're wondering why not everyone in US soccer prefers the Jurgen approach, remember that much of the power in USSF thinks like me. MLS has like 10% of the weighted vote.

Right but if there was a Lithuanian who was as good as Steph Curry Lithuanians would be estatic for him to go play in the NBA. They know their league blows! They want their top players to play in the NBA, with the best.

This is a good and sensible attitude, wanting your best players to languish in a bad league is, uh, not sensible

Is MLS improving?

mls improving to a level comparable to europes top leagues because of national team players is like a many decades in the future dream

we had what, 4 players playing in europe who started against trinidad and the rest were on early retirement here? geoff was 100% spot on. how many starters from argentina or brazil are still playing in the americas? is anyone on the belgian national team still playing in the pro league? **** no

there are good US players languishing in MLS? lol

you couldn't not-lose to T&T Music Factory in a must not-lose game, might wanna slow down comparing yourselves to Brazil, Argentina, and Belgium