Hey marty, you should piss off. This is the US Men's National thread. You don't see us going into the lolIreland National Thread (which would have split by now)

We won the group with Scotland and Ireland's overlords in it last time around, lol at Portugal being some stone cold lock over both Ghana and the US.

Lol.

I'll leave for now

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I will take worst 2 (Greece and you can choose the other) from C to last longer than USA or Ghana mickey.

Marty makes me miss cruzin.

What part of us liking a team makes you assume we don't understand statistics? Jesus you're bad in here.

ill never forget how furious i was after the germany hand ball. only thing in soccer that mage me rage more than the RvP yellow card vs barca ejection.

No disrespect intended. The only US jersey in my closet has his name on it.

It's simply that dudes who have no idea what they are talking about calling "very mediocre" a team like Croatia that fields guys like Modric and Rakitic (two of the 4 or 5 best midfielders this year in the Spanish league - better in league play than guys like Xavi and Cesc) is just supremely tilting. Likewise for Ivory Coast or Colombia. These are all teams with at least a few truly elite players and solid lineups all over the pitch. And then all this love for Ghana ...

Exactly. I don't think any USA #1 FAN is going into the SPL thread and saying how Ross County isn't super elite or w/e

Some of us want the US team to do well, but think this delusional USA#1/Croatiamediocre nonsense is counterproductive and laughable. Realistically, the only teams in the World Cup fielding talent probably inferior to the US's are Costa Rica, Honduras, Australia, Mexico, and maybe Korea and Iran. There are some other teams with less resources or that can never get their act together as a team - like Nigeria and Cameroon - that one expects to finish behind the US. I think the US can beat Ghana, and can tie one of Germany and Portugal and have a shot to advance. That would be great, but it won't be easy, and thinking Portugal is a one man team or Croatia is mediocre is just stupid. Fortunately Klinsman is not such an idiot and neither are the players.

Well I'm not too sure mickey understands what a group of death looks like if this is what you mean by not understanding statistics. I'm gonna spell it out one more time for mickey....group of death = each team has a very realistic chance of taking points off each other to enhance their own chances of qualifying. Groups with two powerhouses v two minnows is not a group of death.

And Pantoja said enough for me in his last two posts.

The concept of a minnow in itself is antiquated. It's not at all akin to a minnow 20 years ago even. If you think Ghana or USA can't won't a match against Portugal or Germany you're crazy.

Oh wow foreigners projecting again, it must be a wc year.

Lol I'm crazy yet Ivory Coast/Japan/Greece are very mediocre in comparison with USAno1 and Ghana.

Take a look at yourselves.

please leave our thread. nobody wants you here.

Why would I take that bet? I am arguing G is group of death because there is a top 4 team (aka- near lock to take one of the top2 spot) and portugal who is even to slightly better than C's only really good team.

If you would have offered me USA#1 + Ghana vs your Greece + Japan before the draw I obviously snap take it. The question you have to ask yourself is would you have taken the 4 teams from C vs my 4 teams from G before the draw in a last longer (or a most points in groups, or some weighted wins bet) and the answer is of course not.

I am not questioning the talent in croatia's starting 11. However, I would like to say that Croatia is not one of the top 50% of teams in this years world cup as evidenced by the collective minds of hundreds of millions of people that will make bets on this WC.

BTW, I wasn't the one that said portugal was a 1 man team. That is a silly statement.

According to sports books across the global the group with the 4 best teams is group G.

I am not saying this is the case, but according to your logic if we took the 4 worst teams in the WC and put them in the group we would have to call that group the group of death since there is a real chance each team would take points from the other terrible teams.

If you really think USA#1 & Ghana are minnows how about we do a last longer where I get them and you get to pick 2 out of a group of 5 or 6 teams that I consider minnows?

Loosekanen this is a football thread, so I think I'll keep on posting here as I'm not trolling.

tough if you don't like it.

Also it is smart that you lot only post your nonsense itt because when it gets brought to the general population during the tournament I won't be the only one lol'ing at this crap.

mickey you are not to be taken seriously if you still believe the toughest group is G.

and stop with the goal post shifts like croatia are not in 50% of peoples picks. Has **** all to do with anything.

What is trolling is telling us that Ivory Coast/Japan/Greece are very average in comparison with USAno1/Ghana.

Marty I'm not sure you want to argue to the masses when the masses clearly say Group G is the group of death.

Someone please tell me I did not just read someone say that Mexico has an inferior squad than USA. I mean jfc, I know you guys cruised in WCQ and we were 2minutes from being eliminated, but do you honestly think your 23 is better than our 23? If you had the squad that Mexico is taking to the world cup, the chances of you making it out of the group would increase by at least 10%.

See bolded. Also see WCQ2010 and WCQ2006

how have all you been arguing this long on which is the group of death? Groups A, B and D are all clearly tougher groups.

To qualify....

Germany 1.17
Portugal 1.58
USAno1 3.9
Ghana 3.8

Columbia 1.29
Ivory Coast 2.08
Japan 2.2
Greece 3.25

Not checked the odds for the rest of the groups but to my uneducated eyes it already looks like C is regarded as the tougher group to qualify from.

see Mexico winning Olympics in 2012.
see Mexico's 2010 world cup performance then look at yours.
see Mexico's 2006 world cup performance then look at yours.


there is a reason why everyone fears playing us. because they know we have enough talent to beat anyone. Just ask the Brazilians, we pretty much have them as clients and they are fearing losing the group to us. no one fears having to play USA.