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Old 01-09-2012, 08:35 PM   #51
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Re: Messi: Potentially the GOAT?

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Michael Jordan is overrated. He only played in one league. Should have gone to Greece or Turkey or Tajikistan to prove himself.
obviously if he played in the turkish league and not in the NBA, it would make sense, see why halfwit?
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Old 01-09-2012, 08:35 PM   #52
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Re: Messi: Potentially the GOAT?

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Are you really going to argue that he would be as effective in the EPL as CRon?

You may choose to discount that as a factor for greatness, I do not
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Old 01-09-2012, 08:35 PM   #53
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Re: Messi: Potentially the GOAT?

I think Fat Ronny is a fair shout. If you cut off the "fat" portion of his career and just compared Messi to this point to that? In short I think that while Leo certainly has a chance, it's VERY premature to call him the GOAT just yet.

And before BarcaFan whines like, well, BarcaFan, it's not like it's a great insult to say a guy is only the 5th best player of all time rather than the greatest.
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Old 01-09-2012, 08:37 PM   #54
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obviously if he played in the turkish league and not in the NBA, it would make sense, see why halfwit?
no. la liga is one of the two leagues that stand above the rest and also he plays CL vs all other euro leagues every year. it's not like we have no way of comparing him to other great players or see him against other great teams.
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Old 01-09-2012, 08:39 PM   #55
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R9 > MEssi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CR9

Ronaldo is the greatest. He dominated two of the most difficult leagues in the world (and certainly THE most difficult league at the time, Serie A). He singlehandedly won a Coup de Monde and he was a pure force of destruction.

There's no doubting Messi's genius, but he hasn't dominated the international scene like R9 did, and he has only dominated one league.
as aoFrantic already said he's the GOAT just maybe hasn't had the GCOAT yet! Can't let the fact he has been at the same club since a boy work against him.

And we all know he will destroy any league he plays in.
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Old 01-09-2012, 08:41 PM   #56
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Re: Messi: Potentially the GOAT?

Right and two years in a row he sucked against Chelski

Yeah thats a lame sample size but it's not far fetched to look at his game, the system hes in, the fact that he plays in a "pretty" league, and extrapolate that he wouldn't have that amazing success in the EPL.

Meanwhile we have a player who scored 50 ****ing goals in that league, also pwning the CL and the same league Messi is playing in
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Old 01-09-2012, 08:43 PM   #57
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He's alright, I doubt he could he do it on a wet Tuesday night at Stoke tho
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Old 01-09-2012, 08:43 PM   #58
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Re: Messi: Potentially the GOAT?

It's one thing to say Ronaldo might be a better player then Messi, but to say that Messi wouldn't just destroy the EPL if he played with talent anywhere near what Ronaldo had with him in his United days is ludicrous.
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Old 01-09-2012, 08:50 PM   #59
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The Hand of God goal is the stuff of legends. Anyway, I'm not sure Diego or Pele can be said to be better. Modern athletes have a higher level of ability, no doubt. Talent? Impossible to tell, really.
Now that god concentrates on Denver Broncos games, this should lend some credibility to Messi for future GOAT.

Disclaimer: San Jose Earthquakes fan.

OTOH, I believe Pele in today's modern era would have an incredibly lucrative deal in Premier League or a similar entity in europe that's as free w/ their money [AC Milan, Barcelona].
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Old 01-09-2012, 08:52 PM   #60
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Re: Messi: Potentially the GOAT?

I really don't think it's "ludicrous." You might disagree which is fine.

IMO it doesn't just tie into talent around him, it ties into the system and and how good the players are in that system. I also really think his size and physicality would affect his ability in the EPL or Serie A.

Again this isn't to knock him or claim he wouldn't be good, I was really looking to bolster CRon more than knock Messi
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Old 01-09-2012, 08:53 PM   #61
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Is there cap space in MLS? I would give him like 3yr 300m deal.
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Old 01-09-2012, 08:53 PM   #62
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Michael Jordan is overrated. He only played in one league. Should have gone to Greece or Turkey or Tajikistan to prove himself.
So much fail.

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R9 is the best, period. Even the "fat" version of Ronaldo was as much of a handful as Messi.
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Old 01-09-2012, 08:54 PM   #63
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Re: Messi: Potentially the GOAT?

He is not quite the GOAT yet, but he's close and by the end of his career he will be.

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Old 01-09-2012, 08:55 PM   #64
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Incidentally, Messi would annihilate the EPL. The EPL is only tough to play in because of its physicality.

British football is mostly laughable with the exception of a couple of mostly foreign influenced teams.
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Old 01-09-2012, 08:55 PM   #65
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Messi has to show he can produce consistently without the GOAT passing midfield (Xavi+iniesta) feeding him the ball imo.
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Old 01-09-2012, 08:58 PM   #66
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So much fail.

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R9 is the best, period. Even the "fat" version of Ronaldo was as much of a handful as Messi.
I'd say he was more of a handful.
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Old 01-09-2012, 09:00 PM   #67
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Incidentally, Messi would annihilate the EPL. The EPL is only tough to play in because of its physicality.

British football is mostly laughable with the exception of a couple of mostly foreign influenced teams.
Incidentally, England has the highest standard and richest lower divisions of any country in Europe. Laughable indeed.
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Old 01-09-2012, 09:03 PM   #68
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Old 01-09-2012, 09:04 PM   #69
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Re: Messi: Potentially the GOAT?

I dont think anyone can argue that to be the GOAT, you really need to bring a mediocre team to the WC final.
Maradonna did it.
Zidane did it.

Being the GOAT is above technics & skills...
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Old 01-09-2012, 09:08 PM   #70
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Being the GOAT is above technics & skills...
This x 1000000000000000000000000000000000000. Btw Im not asking for a world cup final, all im asking is for him to show he is the best player in the world in the big stage.
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Old 01-09-2012, 09:11 PM   #71
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Re: Messi: Potentially the GOAT?

fat ronaldo prob had the best peak of any players imo but obv not enough longevity
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Old 01-09-2012, 09:11 PM   #72
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Re: Messi: Potentially the GOAT?

Meh, not having Fat Ronaldo as the GOAT.

He has 2 WC medals but not buying the 1994 one, how many minutes did he play? Only 1 league title of note and 0 CL medals.

If your holding the WC over Messi then I gotta hold the lack of league titles and lack of CL medals over him.
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Old 01-09-2012, 09:15 PM   #73
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Pele and Maradona dont have a CL medal either.
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Old 01-09-2012, 09:18 PM   #74
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Exactly. Messi GOAT
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Old 01-09-2012, 09:18 PM   #75
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Exactly. Messi GOAT
you dont get it, do you.
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