thread needs to jus turn in to drama now imo

Can't believe he isn't complaining about the water fouling him. IT'S ALL OVER ME REF WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

i actually thought about oscar when he said that but it seemed like lots of work to do all the 8 year averages

If somebody wanted to write these out for me I would be very receptive. I am very much a stathead IRL, and even going for a PhD in stat, and I love basketball and played for 10 years or so.

So now there are a bunch of basketball stats that I don't know and this is unacceptable. Educate the new guy like you said?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1120

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OK Assani honestly i dont know what most of those mean,
ts is shootin percentage when u factor in ft's and 3's
efg- i think is when u factor in 3's
apm- assist per min. IDk just a guess
per is effeciency
the wins things prly have something to do with how much the player wins
and im assuming the o and d ratings are pretty self explanatory
actually soo i guess i know some of those mybe half tops but def not as much as u( im assuming you know all of those.)

but Just bc you know what those stats mean doesnt make you an expert. ITs like saying i know all these current event stories in the world and that makes me an expert on world politics. IM sure if you told me what those stats mean i could explain to u prtty easily how they affect the game and what players are high/low in them.

Ok so you said you debate those stats alot so that makes me think that u do know a tooooon about bball and are very knowledgeable wich you prlly do if you do debate them that much, but that doesnt mean u know more then me im sure if you told me what each of them mean exactly i could debate them forever right with you.

As far as you personally yes you do have some nice expierience statician, d2 etc but no offense but d2 is a joke. understand that tho When i say that i mean no disrespect i just think unless you played d1 powerhouse or went nba d2 doesnt mean much...not trying to disrespect u just saying i think playing d2 is irrelevant to this situation

intangible when it comes to a stat line*, and i never said ai was a great

I cannot understand a word you say.

FG% just measures what % of your shots go in

eFG% takes it one step further by weighing all made 3 pointers as 1.5 makes since they are worth 1.5x as much

TS% does everything eFG% does but also weighs in a persons FT%, thus it gives us a solid stat to determine how efficient of a scorer someone is. The formula is PTS / (2 * (FGA + 0.44 * FTA)). At first glance you may think each FTA should be multiplied by 0.5 because 2 FTAs = 1 FGA, but that doesn't account for all of the times a player gets fouled when making a shot and only shoots one FT. They looked at the number of times historically this happens in relation to a player shooting 2 FTs(and also the times when hes fouled on a 3 pointer and shoots 3) and multiplying by 0.44 instead of 0.5 was the result.



I'm going to the Wynn to play poker now, but take a look at this for a decent glossary:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/glossary.html


and just start posting in threadzilla and asking questions(probably best to do this when no games are going on). Most people there are fairly welcoming of new people.

bliss

as far as the 1k thing, stl wernt a stat when oscar was around so im not sure where those numbers were found but i would need something to back that up for the k

you should have just cheated, it's better than this.

And what you're saying is like saying that you don't know at all whats going on in the world yet you still consider yourself an expert on world politics.

Basically I agree with you that knowing this doesn't necessarily make one an expert. However, I think that not knowing this definitely prevents one from being an expert.

Anyway, I'm off to the Wynn now....

duncan, shaq and kobe are top 3 no question, they won every championship but 2 (and featured in every finals matchup), can't believe op put shaq at 6th

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Shaq's last dominant year was probably 04-05, the year before he won the title with Miami. That's why I put KG ahead of him, as he has a title himself and his declining years have been >>> Shaq's declining years. It just depends on you weigh peak play and rangzzzz. Shaq's peak has been the best of any player this decade outside of possibly labron, but I put them both behind TD/Kobe/KG because they have pretty much maintained dominant play throughout the decade.

Anyone who thought Oscar had just 45 steals over 9 seasons should stfu and quietly leave the thread w/o further embarrassment, and definitely not be lolling others.

TNBishop, nice work. 50/50 split?

my top ten
1. duncan
2. kobe
3. kg
4. lbj
5. shaq
6.dirk
7. wade
8. kidd
9. nash
10. pierce


1-3 are pretty interchangeable imo. 4-6 for me are interchangeable as well as 7-10.

the iverson debate:
wrt what people have said earlier, he was and is a unique basketball player that in order to win around needs to have a specific role. i could be wrong here, but if you put arenas, vince in his prime, michael redd, tmac, allen, etc they could have all taken that 6ers team to the finals.

if you take players you are trying to rank him with(wade and kobe), both of those players take that 6ers team to the finals but if you put iverson on the heat when they went, or the lakers last year are they just as good or better? i dont think they are.

im not trying to bash iverson by any means, but if you take him out of his role(as a bulk scorer) he no longer looks elite even by casual fan observation. personally i think he is somewhere in the 11-15 range of players this last decade.

The fact that a lot of even the best NBA regs have LeBron and Wade in the top 5-6 is astounding to me. I don't think you guys have any idea how great they'd have to be to make up for playing hundreds of less games than some other guys. It's impossible for Wade to have been a top ten contributor of the decade. LeBron might barely just squeak in there. The goal here should be to try to find who contributed the most towards wins from 1999-2000 through 2008-2009.

I'm not sure about exact order, but these lists should look closer to something like

KG
Duncan
Kobe
Dirk
Shaq
Pierce
McGrady
Carter
Kidd
Nash

Than any list with LeBron and Wade. LeBron is probably top 15 (which goes to show how insanely good he's been). Wade probably cracks the top 25.

Sheed, AI, Ray Allen, Billups, Ben Wallace, Camby, and Marion are all guys that are probably right there too. I'd put all these guys above Wade and probably squeeze LeBron in the middle of them.

Sheed?

He's had a 17 PER average for this decade and a TS% near 51% for the decade.....0 all-nba teams.

WTF

Lebron has been significiantly better than all of them--but I agree that Wade should be lower. LBJ has had 3 MVP type seasons, Sheed has had close to none and probably none.

Lebron 7 seasons >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheeds 10 and it isn't close. I know Sheed's D is underrated and I'm a UNC fan but come on. LBJ has more win shares, his PER average is 25+ and his TS% is significantly higher.

There is a little thing called defense that is actually pretty important towards winning NBA basketball games. Sheed has been an elite frontcourt defender for the entire decade.


This is where you're are wrong as someone can possibly be. You have nothing to back this up at all. First of all, I never said that Sheed>LeBron. I said they're probably both in the top 15, which means they're just close. LeBron has probably contribubed to slightly more wins than Sheed. Very slight.

If you think its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then you have literally no idea of what you're talking about. They're probably 5-15 wins apart over the course of the decade.

90 vs 72 right now and LBJ's gap is going to get bigger after this year. I figure somewhere between 15-20 wins for LBJ vs 4 to 5 for SHeed so ~105 to 75 in 7 years vs 10. We are of course including LBJ's rookie years vs Sheed's prime and fall.

LeBron has played 73.1% of the minutes Sheed has played this decade. There's no way his production was enough to be >>>>>>>> Sheed in that span.

And this is using a borderline case. LeBron has only played 66.3% of the minutes Paul Pierce has played and Pierce has been better than Sheed. Yet almost everyone had LBJ over Pierce. There's just no way that LeBron has given Cleveland more wins in 19.1K minutes than Pierce has given Boston in 28.9K minutes.