You know, there's this thing called the internet. You can use it to find information and stuff. Pretty neat.

cbax is that you in your avatar?

so that site clearly proves that ronald murray is the most clutch player of all time.

edit: tim duncan has a better fg% and ft% in this time period compared to bryant as well.

Its actually the guy from that dancing movie(idk the name) with phil hellmuths head on him. Its actually quite funny when blown up but i assume everyone here is just annoyed by it.

Suppose ill hold off on the kobe argument, was just trying to add a few different angles on the whole Duncan/Kobe debate but i do not want to get in trouble for voicing my opinion and artdog was the only 2+2er making reasonable posts

it's fonzi's body from happy days.

so you want to manipulate kobe's late game stats in a way to make him look better?

why dont you just say that kobe and iverson are your favorite players or come up with a real argument.

Jonathan Bender is the best player of the decade.

Hawks ever gonna come close to losing again?

4th quarter saved that abomination for the Jazz

1. Kobe
2. Shaq
3. KG
4. TMac
5. AI
6. Vince
7. Dirk
8. Ray
9. David West
10. Duncan


Duncan is way overrated

For this and your work today in the NBA thread, you get the infinite calendar.

LOL

I wish every mod would use the Calendar Time picture when they ban fools. So good.

that was an account I created to push the NBA thread to five stars back in october, decided to have a little fun with it.

Clark ban list:
main account: 1x for one day
gimmick: perma

damn he shut u down!

Oh, we had fun with it!

1. Duncan
2. Kobe
3. KG
4. Shaq
5. LeBron
6. Wade
7. Dirk
8. Pierce
9. Kidd
10. Nash

My god I can't believe I read all that.... I need a new gf

ODELLLLLLLLLLL

Wow, coming back and reading this thread ten years later was quite the experience. Fun, educational, and a bit embarrassing. My ignorance was only surpassed by my lack of, to put it nicely, less than superior grammar. My other biggest takeaways from this thread were:


1. To me, these lists just seem silly now. While I do think there is a general range for most players, their exact ranking all depends on your value system. How much you weigh peak vs consistency or winning vs individual stats causes considerable fluctuation on overall ranking from person to person. There are also uncontrollable factors such as franchise drafted by, teammates, and coaching staff that creates a unique experience for each player. While you can argue with some credence of a player's general ranking range, there's no "correct" way to conclude where a player definitively ranks. It's all your perspective and everybody's perspective is different.

2. It's interesting to me why we come up with these lists. They are fun, insightful, and creative but I think they also serve the purpose of allowing us to push our perspective onto others as fact. I can only speak for myself, but I would not be surprised if it applied to others as well, that oftentimes our reasons for making these lists are to make sense of an insensible world (measure things that cannot truly be measured) or to meet some sort of driving unfulfilled subconscious desire to be significant, respected or liked. I can say, at least for myself, that the time spent defending my points would be far better served listening to others and the time spent trying to create a definitive list of something like this would be far better served finding different ways to fulfill those subconscious needs.

3. It's clear that the majority of fans over or undervalue players based on a variety of different biases such as basic stats, player popularity, overall talent, and the general narrative. Advanced analytics cut through a lot of those misconceptions, but they cannot measure everything (at least for the time being). While some of the regs in this thread may have knowledge of analytics that even players, coaches, and GMs don't have, they don't have the lived experience of playing with or against those players. When somebody uses analytics to show that Iverson is clearly not a top ten player of the decade you have to respect that perspective as valid because they are bringing a fair amount of insight to the argument. However, when a player with that lived experience (other great players) says Iverson is undoubtedly a top 5 player of the decade, you have to respect that perspective as well because they also bring a fair amount of insight to the table. Different perspectives, Equally as valid. Neither one is necessarily right or wrong.

In conclusion, nobody knows anything for sure. Share your perspective but listen and ask questions about others' POV. So much of our world is unmeasurable, for the most part, there are no right or wrong answers. Always ask yourself why you're doing what you're doing to help yourself grow as a human and be fulfilled. In the end, just try and be a good person, enjoy the ride, and grow/learn so you can do something meaningful with your life.

I ha forgotten that David West existed.

I did a Sporcle once and he’s the career leader in mins for the pelicans even though I only remember him on that pacers team. Decent career!

Im not that convinced that Allen Iverson is as bad as his advanced stats show him to be. I'm a big believer in advanced stats in baseball, but I'm not as sold on NBA advanced stats. Don't those stats show Russell Westbrook to be an elite player, some years an all time great? Because he clearly isn't. He puts up big numbers, but his team's always seem to get worse when he arrives, and better when he leaves. His triple double -21 in a game the Lakers won today seems like typical Russ stuff. -21 in the 41 minutes he played, +24 in the 12 minutes he sat.

That team Iverson took to the finals, Kobe or Lebron might be the only other players that could've gotten that team there. A Kidd or a Nash couldn't work with that team. Neither could any of the big men. The 76ers never gave Iverson a decent teammate to pass to. Old man Webber was garbage and painful to watch.

There were some great players though, he's somewhere around 10 to me.

And I'm no b-ball expert, whatever.

No advanced stats are not kind to Westbrook. He does look amazing with standard box score stats.

Oh man this thread is a blast lol. The first page is a murders row.