But he's pretty sure is is a HUGE DEAL and will have a HUGE IMPACT on Tiger

Now that is faulty reporting by you

I am revising it based on the hundreds of legitimate media reports from yesterday that said:
a) He smelled like alcohol
b) He refused breathalyzer test

I still will wager he gets more than a fine and that it will be a media circus if he shows up to court.

His actions, post-confrontation with police, aren't nearly as bad as it was made out to be. Which is fantastic for him.

I would wager too he can't recite either the alphabet or national anthem backwards too if you want.

I couldn't give a **** less. Far more interesting golfers to watch and focus on right now. People acting as if this is a big deal are just delusional. It really doesn't matter if he gets a DUI or not since it will have no impact on him. Tiger most likely won't be a successful golfer ever again regardless.


And my arguments are consistent with any similar situation. You can check the JFF thread, but it turned out he actually was an alcoholic. How much that actually had an effect on his career, I'm not sure. He was a marginal NFL talent to begin with.

So now you're shifting the blame to others rather than accepting that you were wrong and offered a bet you weren't willing to take?

yeah but this is like when Mike Tyson starting eating pigeons or whatever, he is TIGER WOODS and will forever be famous. his Value over Replacement Golfer was crazy high, his peak is GOAT, and his downfall is almost as equally compelling for all it's twist and turns and weirdness.

It really is uncanny. If the entire world could constanza riverman we'd live in a utopia.

Different gus

Why don't you just book the bet that you offered and quit trying to add all of these crazy terms to it that make it obvious you will win? You originally offered the below:

"I'd love to bet money on him not doing any court ordered alcohol classes or community service. How much would you like to wager?"

That's a simple and verifiable bet.

Sorry, I don't mean to pick on you CDL (a ton of people do this). Just thought it was kinda ridiculous when I saw your bet terms were so far off of what you initially posted. I hate it when people say, I would bet X. Then when someone appears willing to bet on X with them, the bet they lay out has a ton of terms that are not X and that are favorable to them.

I was wrong for relying on multiple reports including the NY Post who had three journalists on the story.

***The 14-time major champion, who was the world’s No. 1 golfer longer than anyone else, was driving a 2015 Mercedes-Benz “erratically, all over the road” when he was stopped.

Woods grew “arrogant” during the stop and refused to take a Breathalyzer test, which is grounds for an automatic arrest.***

I didn't watch the event go down. What else can anyone rely on besides news reports?

He will still get a DUI, but he probably won't lose license. He will likely get some court-ordered class. Overall, this is very damaging, but he comes out +EV compared to all the initial reports of alcohol, driving erratically, arrogant and refusing breathalyzer.

I haven't seen any evidence that a blood sample was taken. Without that they can not prove that he took anything other than what was prescribed.

Report said he was pulled off on the side of the road. I don't see how any competent lawyer doesn't get him off completely--assuming he did not have blood drawn.

Exhibit #1: 5/29/17 Mugshot

I literally went to his original quote about what would happen and gave him favorable terms on things like suspension etc.

So, anybody can just down all their prescribed medication and provide a breathalyzer test only and we are off completely with a competent lawyer? We can mix and match too however we feel? You are the one who can choose blood, breath or urine.

And if the blood test or urine test shows that he did take the prescribed meds, that doesn't mean he (or anyone else) is DUI. The officer administered a field-test which he failed. That is enough for a conviction right there that he was not in control of his vehicle.

I just thought I was anti-Tiger.

This is exactly how good attorneys earn their living. If Tiger is convicted of anything (again, assuming there are no blood/urine tests showing something in his system that was not prescribed), it will be because TeamTiger thought it was good PR for him to plead guilty to something and show remorse and rehabilitation.

He had urine taken.

Also the report said he was stopped "in the roadway in the right lane...Woods was asleep at the wheel and had to be woken up. The vehicle was running and brake lights were illuminated as well as the right blinker flashing"

Also you can get a DUI for medication even if you have a prescription. You can't take three vikes and then hit the road, prescription or not.

Dude is getting a DUI, case seems airtight.

Agree with you re Tiger.

Tiger obviously going down that route with his statement thanking the police and sheriff. He isn't going to do a 180 and then say they were unprofessional.

In regards to others fighting the same charge, I disagree with you. An officer can arrest you and you can be convicted of impaired driving based solely on officer's judgement. A good attorney can make it harder no doubt. But if there is video (which I think may be in this case) a jury may clearly see based on the person's physical and mental reactions, that they were not in a proper state to operate a motor vehicle.

Like, what exactly is a lawyer going to do when his client admits to taking prescription drugs, spectacularly failed every sobriety test (which is apparently on a dash cam video), has a positive urine test for drugs, WAS ASLEEP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD???

I mean wtf can the lawyer do? He's not a freaking magician. The evidence against Tiger seems extremely strong.

they can convince the other attorney/state that making a donation of $1m to the boys and girls club is a better solution than tiger getting convicted

my guess is he gets off, my understanding is that (besides a blood test) OUI can be a hard case to convict

I doubt that would work, sends a bad message if he doesn't get a DUI. I could easily see him not getting much in the way of punishment (first time DUI, mitigating circumstances) but dodging a conviction? Seems unlikely.

But in any case Tom Ames seemed to be saying that the set of facts was such that any competent attorney could get any client off, famous or not. That seems extremely dubious. Maybe a near billionaire celeb could buy his way out of it but I doubt an average well do do citizen could do so.

Two tires blown out and damage to front and rear bumper....adds to the story a little bit!


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This.

Is his doctor going to go to court and say that Tiger took the medication in the manner prescribed and it was safe for him to drive?

It is a jury trial. A reasonable person would look at the officer's statement, hear the officer on the stand, look at video (if available) and follow the law and convict him unless there was some exogenous circumstance like officer was off-duty or something.

Regardless of these circumstances, is cdl really willing to bet that Tiger plays a PGA event within the next 6 months?

Nope. I am saying if TW wants to fight this, he has the means to do it and would likely prevail--unless he was taking something not prescribed.

Possible route of defense: TW felt himself getting groggy and confused, pulled over to the side of the road so as not to endanger others, passed out due to the continuing and increasingly powerful effects of the meds, and was there for a prolonged time before being found by LEOs. He is an upstanding citizen for not endangering others and possibly could be considered a hero. It could have happened to any of you on the jury. (I am almost certain he would be entitled to a trial by jury.)

cf: Simpson, O.J. ca 1992

I am also saying that if any citizen had the means to hire an attorney who specializes in DUI/OUI, that they would also have a chance of prevailing. Tiger's resources obviously improve his chances.

I have seen this exact thing happen in my state (not FL) to politicians who were found in worse shape than TW and had not pulled over and run into property. At least one of them more than once. Sad but true.

I mentioned this already, but to those saying it's a total slam dunk, look at this rather similar instance.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/28/justic...edy-dwi-trial/

She admitted to taking a bunch of Ambien and drove off a freeway during rush hour and crashed into a truck. Not guilty within an hour.

You have to prove he was aware that he would be impaired and still got behind the wheel. Someone else already pointed out that his PR statement already says something to the effect of - I didn't know this would happen from mixing meds. He can definitely say something like, this was unexpected, I felt woozy and pulled off as soon as possible, therefore never had the intent to drive impaired. I've seen a guy get a not guilty with like a .18 because he claimed to have consumed fermented goats milk as pet of a religious ceremony and did not know it would contain alcohol.

Not sayin he's going to walk for sure, just that it's not case closed just because he admitted to being high on pills.