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Originally Posted by GiveEmTheShocker
Most of Tiger's majors came against horrid competition.
No they didn't. The competition during any swatch of Tiger's career was better than any swatch of Jack's. Game more global and world population much larger and popularity of the sport higher and social barriers to learning the game lessened.
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The 1997-2008 Major's era was full of old guys who could rarely if ever get it done (see: Nick Faldo, Greg Norman, Fred Couples, etc), a crop of young players that really didn't ever pan out as far as majors are concerned (see: Paul Casey, Justin Leonard, Luke Donald, etc.) or have taken until recently to start really putting it together (see:Adam Scott), or journeymen types (Dimarco, Love III, Bob May, Weir). I mean seriously who was the main competition from that era? Sergio? Els? Goosen? Love III? I'll give you Mickelson, but even he didn't start putting it together in majors for a long time and didn't win his first until 2004 after choking off half a dozen of them.
I wonder why a lot of those guys never "got it done" in the majors. I'm sure Tiger winning 1 out of 4 of them had nothing to do with it. You also post Luke Donald who got to #1 in the world. And Phil Mickelson is a top-10 golfer OF ALL TIME. lol @ pretending he wasn't stiff competition (well, he wasn't because Tiger was way better but he's an Arnie-type talent). Also love how you leave out the other darkie, Vijay Singh. He won 3 majors and a ****load of tournaments. Like 11 in one season or something absurd. Els was also really good and just won a major less than 2 years ago. The field is deeper and better than when Jack played. There really isn't an argument against this fact.
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Then you can throw in the fact that 1997-2008 golf fields were probably full of the most chokers ever.
Source? Let me guess, nobody choked in Jack's era?
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Tiger rarely ever had any serious duels in his 14 wins because the fields would wilt at the mere sight of his name on the leaderboard.
You think intimidation factor has nothing to do with his actual skill? JFC you.
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His three most intense duels were against DiMarco, Bob May and Y.E. Yang (who he lost to).
Sort by intenseduels. Ignore 12-stroke Masters wins at age 21 when people are calling you the N-word.
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That being said Tiger was unreal good for most of 1997-2008. I just think it is overstating it a bit to say the fields were great during that era when for the most part they were full of guys who never amounted to much with the exception of a very small number of guys.
THE REASON WHY THEY NEVER AMOUNTED TO MUCH IS BECAUSE ITS INFINITELY HARDER TO RACK UP WINS THESE DAYS BECAUSE THE FIELDS ARE INCREDIBLY MORE SKILLED AND DEEP AND ALSO ITS HARD TO WIN EVENTS WHEN THE GREATEST GOLFER OF ALL TIME IS WINNING A GIANT CHUNK OF THEM. The stroke disparity between the best and worst players on tour today is much smaller than back then. That means the competition is tighter.
You seriously think people in the future are going to rack up like 60+ PGA Tour wins? It will likely never happen again. It's way too hard to win these days. Phil has like 40 and he's a top-10 golfer ever. Just getting to 20 wins on the PGA Tour is going to be viewed as an incredible accomplishment anymore.
It's like saying Phil Hellmuth is the best poker player because he beat like 100 people in 1989 for the WSOP. Then citing that a lot of the people he beat were often found at final tables. While ignoring that like 200 people in the world gave a **** about the WSOP back then so of course you would see familiar faces. Compare that to the competition 5 years ago.
Last edited by A-Rod's Cousin; 04-02-2014 at 01:10 AM.