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View Poll Results: How many professional major wins will Tiger end up with (currently has 14)?
14 - no more wins
14 10.85%
15 - one more than now
7 5.43%
16 - only two more
14 10.85%
17 - so close but not quite
12 9.30%
18 - ties Jack
11 8.53%
19 - GOAT
16 12.40%
20 or more
55 42.64%

05-31-2017 , 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SirOsis
Tapes didn't seem like any great revelation to me, at least the clips I saw. Looked like a guy messed up on pills like he basically said he was.
Yup if you've been around it pretty obvious what was going on there. One that's scary. Two if he's doing that on a consistent basis he needs help. That addiction is a ***** and dude has definitely been on his fair share of medication over the years.
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05-31-2017 , 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by GusJohnsonGOAT
It's pretty easy to damage your wheels and blow your tires out on a curb if you are going at a decent speed.

I also just looked at the pictures and didn't see any damage to the tail light.

Most likely hit curbs with the damage that he did based on the crappy pictures. Bumper is slightly out of place, but nothing major. Probably hit some big curb, but possibly hit something like a light in a parking lot.


http://jalopnik.com/heres-what-tiger...des-1795708657
Looks to me as if he hit the corner edge of one of those big metal curb drain covers--don't know if they have those in that neighborhood though. My wife hit one with her front wheel before we got married and the damage looked identical--ruined tire, bent wheel and body damage. At least she was able to react and keep the rear wheel from hitting it. She has quicker reflexes than Tiger Woods!
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05-31-2017 , 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
The cop playbook, 1mm deep. LOL claiming strong odor of alcohol.
Could you hear this in some of the video? I only saw a couple short clips and probably missed it. It is STANDARD LOL cop play though. I got pulled over once and the cop asked if I had been drinking (I hadn't) and he said he smelled it. Then he kept asking, "What's in your mouth? Open your mouth and let me see, hold it open" while he gets really close with a flashlight. I told him it was obvious he was trying to smell booze, I didn't have any in me, and this was ridiculous. He got a little flustered, but still hung to that string for the duration of the encounter, even implying as he let me go that I was lucky for some reason. **** you.
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05-31-2017 , 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DisGunBGud
Yup if you've been around it pretty obvious what was going on there. One that's scary. Two if he's doing that on a consistent basis he needs help. That addiction is a ***** and dude has definitely been on his fair share of medication over the years.
Yeah I'm not sure what he's on but maybe this encounter will wake up the unbelievably huge chunk of the US population who doesn't realize what a MASSIVE problem opioid addiction is right now.
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05-31-2017 , 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Ames
Looks to me as if he hit the corner edge of one of those big metal curb drain covers--don't know if they have those in that neighborhood though. My wife hit one with her front wheel before we got married and the damage looked identical--ruined tire, bent wheel and body damage. At least she was able to react and keep the rear wheel from hitting it. She has quicker reflexes than Tiger Woods!

Nah because his quarter panel is scraped and bumper is damaged on the side. Think he hit the curb pretty hard, front wheel is on, then his rear wheel comes up at a slower speed before he can react and get off. His tired is also punctured on the side and not just from the bottom. Probably hit a sidewalk or median and drove on it for a bit.

Last edited by GusJohnsonGOAT; 05-31-2017 at 11:38 PM. Reason: Bumper could actually just be popped out. Impossible to tell with such bad pictures.
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05-31-2017 , 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by GusJohnsonGOAT
Nah because his quarter panel is scraped and bumper is damaged on the side. Think he hit the curb pretty hard, front wheel is on, then his rear wheel comes up at a slower speed before he can react and get off. His tired is also punctured on the side and not just from the bottom. Probably hit a sidewalk or median and drove on it for a bit.
I know. I don't think I described the drain cover adequately.

I'm talking about the rectangular ones about an inch thick that are sunk into the curb and above the iron grates built in at road level.

Example
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06-01-2017 , 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86
Do you have any reason to believe this isn't the case? I mean it's 3am in morning he's wearing casual running shorts and a shirt. It's not like he's on his way home from a party or anywhere public. He also has a golf cart and tons of property if driving around high is his thing. I'd like to know what good reason he would have for being out at 3am driving around in active wear high on pain meds would be.
U don't dress up in a tuxedo for a booty call bruh. Freeballing with athletic shorts for max blood flow, elite nike long sleeve, and hat-fishing.
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06-01-2017 , 03:56 AM
Ambien should seriously be banned. It's evil stuff.
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06-01-2017 , 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86
Do you have any reason to believe this isn't the case? I mean it's 3am in morning he's wearing casual running shorts and a shirt. It's not like he's on his way home from a party or anywhere public. He also has a golf cart and tons of property if driving around high is his thing. I'd like to know what good reason he would have for being out at 3am driving around in active wear high on pain meds would be.

I remember his first tournament back from his first back surgery and tiger was throwing up while playing, I wonder if it was a stomach flu or something to do with medication he is/was taking.
If there was a good reason to believe it wasn't the case then it wouldn't be a good defense.
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06-01-2017 , 02:01 PM
My hope that this is the springboard to climb back up the mountain seemed to be dashed. He is in way too much pain emotionally and physically. I wonder where TMZ got the reports that he was swerving, smelled like alcohol and was arrogant. He was extra compliant and nice.
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06-01-2017 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by SirOsis
Are you arguing with someone I'm not aware of? Pretty clear he's ****ed up and shouldn't be driving, and will most likely have to plead or be found guilty of something where he'll be punished. When I heard his excuse of prescription meds and that he failed field sobriety tests, the video that they released was exactly what I expected.
I still think there's a good chance he gets off. again, look at the Kerry Kennedy case where the facts were just as bad and not even dispute. she got off, as far as I can tell, by arguing she didn't realize she was impaired (she said she took the wrong pill)
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06-01-2017 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by SirOsis
Could you hear this in some of the video? I only saw a couple short clips and probably missed it. It is STANDARD LOL cop play though. I got pulled over once and the cop asked if I had been drinking (I hadn't) and he said he smelled it. Then he kept asking, "What's in your mouth? Open your mouth and let me see, hold it open" while he gets really close with a flashlight. I told him it was obvious he was trying to smell booze, I didn't have any in me, and this was ridiculous. He got a little flustered, but still hung to that string for the duration of the encounter, even implying as he let me go that I was lucky for some reason. **** you.
my cop was adamant that my car smelled like pot. and he claimed the dog clearly signaled and the dog is never wrong. I hadnt touched pot in like 10 years so there was no chance I had any on me or even that my clothes smelled like it.

he repeatedly threatened to impound my car and cut my seats open and take apart the doors.

this went on for like 2 hours. eventually, I started to believe I actually had pot on me. I was checking my pockets and thinking that maybe someone slipped it into my pocket or something.
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06-01-2017 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Kneel B4 Zod
I still think there's a good chance he gets off. again, look at the Kerry Kennedy case where the facts were just as bad and not even dispute. she got off, as far as I can tell, by arguing she didn't realize she was impaired (she said she took the wrong pill)
Facts are probably better in the Kennedy case, as the prosecution seemed to concede that she unwittingly took the wrong pill in the morning, but argued that she should have known that something was wrong when she started feeling sleepy.

Here Tiger probably knowingly took opiates, so he couldn't argue that he couldn't have foreseen the consequences.
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06-01-2017 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
my cop was adamant that my car smelled like pot. and he claimed the dog clearly signaled and the dog is never wrong. I hadnt touched pot in like 10 years so there was no chance I had any on me or even that my clothes smelled like it.

he repeatedly threatened to impound my car and cut my seats open and take apart the doors.

this went on for like 2 hours. eventually, I started to believe I actually had pot on me. I was checking my pockets and thinking that maybe someone slipped it into my pocket or something.
A drug dog alerts for drugs all the time which then gives rise to probable cause to search. If the dog ends up being wrong, who cares. Good scare tactic too.
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06-01-2017 , 04:32 PM
I'm sure Nike are happy he's still rocking their logo in that footage.
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06-01-2017 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
Facts are probably better in the Kennedy case, as the prosecution seemed to concede that she unwittingly took the wrong pill in the morning, but argued that she should have known that something was wrong when she started feeling sleepy.

Here Tiger probably knowingly took opiates, so he couldn't argue that he couldn't have foreseen the consequences.
I honestly think he's just going to plead to some deferred adjudication type thing, counseling or whatever. BUT he could totally say he took a couple things together and didn't know what would happen which is almost the same thing as "I thought it was the winky eye not the drowsy eye" deal that Kennedy said.
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06-01-2017 , 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by tuq
Tiger has many mirrions and mirrions of dollars on the line in the form of sponsors who are at this moment deciding whether to keep or dump him. The more publicity this incident gets, the harder it will be on any remaining sponsors. He's no dummy and knows this, so he'll plead to whatever is offered, publicly admit regret and a promise to be a better role model etc., and hope it gets marginalized ASAP. Whatever benefit he may have to "clear his name" wouldn't be worth the spotlight to try.

I read or heard somewhere that his PR team was all over Jupiter police yesterday trying to pin down what video they had of the incident and were planning on releasing, particularly since it was rumored that it would be very very bad for Tiger. The mugshot is bad enough, but a video of him being incoherent, unable to stand or walk, or belligerent (which was also rumored) would take it to another level.

It would be totally unsurprising if he's a pill addict a la Michael Jackson (or Prince), given the myriad injuries he's brought upon himself over the years and the ease of access he would have getting what he wants. That is the bigger story here and it may get no play, and it's too bad. He could be to the epidemic of pain pills and heroin which is wrecking the country what Magic was to AIDS in the early 90s, i.e. nobody is too rich or famous to be immune. If true I'm not saying he owes it to the public to speak up - he doesn't owe us anything - but it could make a difference.
Awesome post Tug. The real story here is that Tiger's in for a hell of a battle if this is as bad as it looks. Of course there is a chance that this was the first time, or perhaps a rare occurrence, otherwise, Tiger's got a tough road ahead. Outside of people who are seriously terrible people, I wouldn't wish a drug problem on anyone.
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06-01-2017 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Palo
Ambien should seriously be banned. It's evil stuff.

It definitely hampers your ability to drive
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06-01-2017 , 09:07 PM
I think most of you guys are getting sucked into items that are totally irrelevant. It's means nothing if he loses his license for a period of time. Same with a small fine, community service, court mandated program, whatever. He's got plenty of time, plenty of money, and can easily hire a full time driver. The only, only court related issue that could hurt is losing child visitation rights.

The real issue is just how deep his personal and chemical problems are. Do I think he has an issue with painkillers? Yes. And none of us know how much pain he has dealt with throughout his career. Remember, he has been under the knife repeatedly since a teenager. And he has an extremely addictive personality. This allowed his greatness, it has also allowed his major transgressions. Same with any genius, Mozart, Van Gogh, Nash. The highs are incredibly high, the lows incredibly low.

Regardless, it's looking less and less likely that he will be returning to competitive golf full time. And that's sad, but perhaps the best thing for him.
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06-01-2017 , 10:05 PM
Are you talking about Graham Nash, Steve Nash, John Nash, or all 3 here?
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06-01-2017 , 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ntnBO
I think most of you guys are getting sucked into items that are totally irrelevant. It's means nothing if he loses his license for a period of time. Same with a small fine, community service, court mandated program, whatever. He's got plenty of time, plenty of money, and can easily hire a full time driver. The only, only court related issue that could hurt is losing child visitation rights.



The real issue is just how deep his personal and chemical problems are. Do I think he has an issue with painkillers? Yes. And none of us know how much pain he has dealt with throughout his career. Remember, he has been under the knife repeatedly since a teenager. And he has an extremely addictive personality.

I think it showed that he is in extreme pain and needs painkillers to manage it. Like every other human being. He is tough, but 24 hours of mind-numbing pain where he can't go even sit for a press conference takes its toll. We use to numb it with alcohol but many of us just moved to opioids. Higher rate of addiction, but meds do work. I doubt Tiger would have even be able his house without them. Steve Kerr can't even sit on bench for finals for a few hours.

I relied on initial media reports that he was swerving, smelled like alcohol, acted arrogant, and refused a breathalyzer test. I was 100% wrong.

Yes, he shouldn't have been driving and obviously could have hurt someone (and himself). All I really saw though was a person in serious pain and agony who didn't know the meds (brutally tough for anyone to know compared to alcohol) and had absolutely no intention of hurting anyone. He was unbelievably polite compared to many drivers I imagine. He didn't ask them to give him a pass. Amazing.

I was hoping this was the bottom and he would use it rebound. I think the place he is in though will be marked by severe physical pain for an extended period and he will just have to emotionally adapt as well to his body not being able to do what it once did.

Sadness. He looked so immortal when he was young that it hard to seem him all of a sudden so "old". Nobody gets out alive still rings true.
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06-01-2017 , 11:43 PM
That post is hot garbage but he does get credit for not playing the do you know who I am card
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06-01-2017 , 11:44 PM
Not saying he doesn't have some sort of opiate problem, but you guys are really overreacting, that video looked completely like a bad ambien reaction
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06-01-2017 , 11:48 PM
Is it possible that he took them in his house and didn't even know he was driving? Or do we think he purposely got into the car under the influence
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06-02-2017 , 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by EddyB66
Is it possible that he took them in his house and didn't even know he was driving? Or do we think he purposely got into the car under the influence
When the cop asked tiger where he was coming from, he said "LA"
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