Dennis Dixon and Troy Smith immediately come to mind as QBs that have been around during some time in Tebow's tenure that could have won it with the surrounding Florida team he had last year. And I like how you point that out about Bradford like that's anywhere approaching verifiable. Your offense would be totally different and probably better in different ways while getting worse in others.

FYP.

Though worse defense = worse team (obviously), it gives more room for Tebow and the offense. Tebow had his best year in 2007, when UF's defense was clearly the worst (of Tebow's career).

Trust me, you are saying bradford is even comparable, so anything that comes out of my mouth is pretty much smarter by default.

Young man,

you are not quite as smart as you think you are.

Best wishes,

'Cardo.

Bradford and Tebow aren't comparable, Bradford is a consensus first round pick and Tebow would be lucky to be drafted on day 1

You are right they arent comparable, one has 2 rings the other has 0.

Whoever drafts tebow is the luckiest team ever. if they get him on the first day, they are also the smartest.

Did tebow win those rings by himself, or did florida win those rings as a whole?

oh ok good point, national championships shouldnt be considered when talking about GOAT.

wait wut

How dare you question the Crash Davis of college football.

Where did I say that? You are arguing that it is the only measure that matters, which is ******ed.

where did i say its the only measure that matters? you making that assumption wrt my argument is ******ed. but when 2 quarterbacks like tebow/bradford are breakeven in TDs (overlooking the fact that tebow did it in the sec), and tied in heismans, how its not a deciding factor is pretty uhh... lol.

Hmmm Tebow scored those TDs by himself? It must be pretty amazing that despite your in depth analysis that the NFL wants Bradford so much more than Tebow.

It's almost like there are other factors in play here, but who knows what they could be?

You know what, I'm sure that you're much smarter than every NFL scout alive. lulz.

So just so I have this strait, we must use the national championships when evaluating him, including the one he played fullback on, but we can't use 9-4 in his evaluation?

So now this discussion is based around pro potential? OK, in that case Josh Freeman > Tommie Frazier, right?

Why wouldn't we use the 9-4 season when evaluating him? That's the year he accounted for 55 TD's and won a Heisman, it's not his fault his secondary was incredibly young and horrible that year.

uhhh when did the argument change to who is going to make the best player in the NFL from who is the GOAT college player. if thats seriously your basis (lulz) then i guess we should just look at the best NFL player of all time.

did bradford score all those tds by himself? or just 5. in the big 12. lol. i guess stafford was a better GOAT candidate than bradford too!

@ blacklab - who is discounting the 9-4 season? tebow gets all those points and the fact that its a team of like 2 upperclassmen going 9-4 is a detriment? its in essence the exact same team that crushed all the way to a nc the next year.

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Because the object of the game is to win. If he was the GOAT he would have carried his team to victory, not blamed losing on a bad secondary.

Earlier this thread people have been arguing his stats don't matter, he's a leader, or a great combo, etc, which is nice, and he has that going for him, but many other QB's have led their teams to score more points and win more games, which to me is more important than his "hybridness".

Tebow is a far better quarterback for Florida's scheme then Bradford.

This makes no sense, once again he accounted for 55 touchdowns, which to me seems like he did everything he could do to "carry" them to victory.

You are. Let me quote you:

Do you have downs syndrome?

Where did I say that the tebow goat argument was stupid? I practically slobbered all over tebow's nuts in that post.

Being the greatest is different than being the best. If he wins 3 MNC titles and two Heismans, he's the greatest. It's not close. College football is judged this way, accomplishments are a big deal. I said the other arguments are ******ed because people are talking about OMG DAVID CARR >>> ERIC CROUCH OMG. Sorry, this isn't the NFL draft. Eric Crouch is a level above David Carr because accomplishments count towards greatness. He won a Heisman and played in a championship game. Carr accumulated some nice stats against the WAC and never won or even played in a truly meaningful game in his career. Crouch > Carr

Similarly, Tebow > Bradford, AINEC.

And if he pulls out the combo this year Tebow > anyone AINEC. Greatness is not measured in terms of just talent. Championships and Heismans matter. And this is coming from a UGA fan.

thats not discounting the 9-4 season. its just that the 9-4 point is so ******ed, i asked if it was a real question for the reason sharkbait pointed out above. he got 55 td, how much more do you expect him to do? i guess its just a huge coincidence that a year later, you know, when they arent all sophomores, the exact same team crushes all the way to a national championship. how you are looking at the 9-4 season as anything other than our defense sucking is hilarious.

So getting touchdowns against lesser foes in blowouts is a better indicator of better QB's than winning games?

Don't worry, the Heisman voters from that year and last year feel the same way, so you are not alone.