Were any of these guys as clutch in the big spot as Tebow? Serious Q. I'm not familiar with them enough.

I can only think of the one time that Tebow really "failed" to convert in the clutch with a rush.

lol @ people thinking VY is a better college QB then Tebow. I mean c'mon seriously.

'college QB'? Do you really mean 'I have such a big advantage at the other positions so I look awesome QB'? Eric Crouch was not a better QB, college or otherwise, than David Carr. Crouch just played for a better team. Tebow is not a better QB, college or otherwise, than Sam Bradford.

This. Kelly, Elway, Clausen, Bledsoe, etc. all > Tebow.

Using Eric Crouch in an argument against Tim Tebow is so LOL I don't even know where to start.

I'm not using Crouch against Tebow, learn to read ffs. I'm talking about overrating QBs on good teams who clearly aren't more talented than QBs on lesser teams. Tebow is not the first person that has won a Heisman despite being a lesser QB than his colleagues destined for the NFL, he won't be the last.

Tebow is like in the absolutely perfect situation(scheme, surrounding talent, individual skill set) to accumulate counting stats and win games. He's a great fit on Florida. If he switched places with Darryl Clark how would the relative chances of PSU and UF look?

Has it been so long since Chris Leak and Alex Smith that you guys have forgotten about them? Alex Smith had a 47-8 TD-INT ratio. He completed 66% of his passes. He ran for ~4 yards a carry with decent volume. He didn't have any rambling speeches about trying hard and Gary Danielson wasn't madly in love with him, but it's Meyer, not Tebow.

I went and rewatched my DVD copy of Nebraska ****ing the living **** out of Florida in the '96 Fiesta Bowl, thanks to this thread. Tommy ****ing Frazier. My stars. I was so in awe of those teams. The '96 Big XII Championship probably means more to me emotionally than the NC in '05 - it just seemed impossible for that juggernaut to be stopped.

In fact let's just do this -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x3DmBfQrIE

CBS Sports:SEC::Fox News:GOP, by the way. A huge part of Tebow's legend is the adoration that CBS has for him which borders on creepy.

how much of tebow's stats page is due to dominating the FIU's of the florida schedule? i'm sure it happens to every qb, but it seems like he does an awful lot of stat padding against the 2 or 3 non bcs joke schools.

It's not like Tebow's some talentless hack. The guy was a 5 star recruit, the #3 QB coming out of HS behind Mitch Mustain and Matthew Stafford. People are seriously underrating how talented he is.

If you take away the 3 teams they blew out and look only at their 3 tough opponents (Arky, LSU, Tenn.), Tebow has a grand total of 2 passing TDs, 1 rushing TD, and 1 INT.

Last year his stats were pretty well spread across opponents as he never had more than 3 passing TDs vs. a single opponent and only more than 2 rushing TDs vs. Georgia. Yardage-wise, he only had more than 220 passing yds. vs. Miami and by far his best total (319 yds.) in the Ole Miss loss. He didn't have a 100 yard rushing game vs. anyone.

Some ******ed arguments all over the place ITT.

Remember people, this is college football. Things like MNC titles and Heismans, while not perfect indicators of talent, will be used to evaluate the players. It's college football ffs, the entire system is off-kilter and that's kind of just how it works, so deal with it. This isn't "Who do you want in a mythical NFL draft?" or "Who do you want in such and such hypothetical scenario?". It's "Who in actuality was the greatest college football player of all time?" and part of that is ACCOMPLISHMENTS. This is not that hard.

If Tebow gets to 3 MNC titles and 2 Heismans, he will have accomplished more than any college football player ever, in addition to holding a slew of records and having obscene statistics. It won't even be REMOTELY close. LOL at the talking dildo arguing about Bradford up there. Jesus.

And this is coming from a UGA fan, btw. **** Tim Tebow and all that, etc...

Sorry, but my GOAT would be going first overall if I'm putting together the greatest college football team of all time. I don't know about you, but Tebow isn't getting picked first.

lol so first you say the other arguments are ******ed, then say that the tebow goat argument is stupid, but so is all of cfb, so its OK?


LOL wut?

Yeah and when you watched a Texas game, you were like HOLY ****ING GODDAMN CRAP NO ONE CAN ****ING STOP THAT GUY HOLY SHEIT.

And when you watch Tebow, you see a dude running for 5 yards here and there and throwing a bunch of short passes. Great. good job! Bus driver!

Florida is really really good and he is a very solid quarterback and what they do works. I still think you could sub in McCoy, Bradford and maybe others into Florida's lineup and things might be different, but their record/numbers would still be similar.

I think that the Big 12 hate in this thread really shows just how off people are. Conference debates are gay, but the random SEC/eastern seaboard put down of the Big 12 is hilariously wrong. The Big East sucks, Craig.

I agree with a lot of this, other than the last paragraph. The Big 12 is that bad this year, Sagarin has them rated the worst BCS conference.

There are a couple guys who scout HS talent in the southeast and occasionally post on FSU message boards who said you could plug in D'Vontrey Richardson (FSU's backup QB now playing baseball) into UF's offense and he'd put up similar if not better numbers than Tebow basically b/c Urby's system is solid and they have a crapload of talent right now. Probably a little far-fetched, but I think there is a lot of truth in the fact that their system is so perfect right now that you can plug a lot of guys in there and get the same results. The fact that Tebow is a good looking, religious white boy only helps to magnify the legend even more.

It also helps that Tebow has a ridiculous defense around him as soon as his stats went back to a lower level. Look at Clark up above acting incredulous that Clausen could be a Heisman candidate, but if you switch Florida and ND's defense there's little doubt in my mind that you'd most likely be switching the records as well. 13 points against LSU will quickly get you dropped from Heisman contention if your defense gives up 30+, not so much if they only give up 3.

Clausen's numbers are ridiculous. 3rd in efficiency behind only Sheffield and Kellen Moore, 1800+ yards passing, and 14/2 TD/INT ratio. On top of that, he played very well in both losses, which were clearly not his fault.

ND's defense is pretty subpar. Outside of the Nevada shutout, they haven't held anyone under 21. If ND had a good D, they'd be undefeated and Clausen would be a huge favorite for the Heisman right now. If UF has the same D they had in Tebow's Soph. season and the current #s, everyone would be like "wtf happened to Tebow???". Like Danny mentioned above, CFB is really messed up b/c record has such a huge impact on the way individual players are perceived, even though one player (Clausen) has done a lot more to help his record than another (Tebow).

Arkansas is playing the best football in the SEC at the moment. Arguments have to be made for Alabama, who will win the SEC, all things remaining as they are today.

Florida smells, LSU smells, SC smells, KU stinks, GA stinks, Vandi is, well, Vandi, Tenn stinks, MSU stinks, OMiss stinks.

The SEC must hope that Texas goes unbeaten...

im glad this was finally said. there have been a lot of college players better than tebow, but its the same reason that hansbrough and christian laettner are two of the best college players of all time in basketball(well that and all the broadcasters being all over the accs nuts). you need the excellence and the longevity.

thread over

pokeromg has been killin it lately.

Wow, way to repeat what I said. You are a smart one!

Yes, the Big 12 sucks THIS year.

Yes, Tebow is averaging a whopping 170 yards a game this year and 3.8 yards per carry (and about 2.0 vs the top teams).