People don't realize the Dolphins game was lol, the Lions game was really poor game plan and design.

The whole team is operating different since then.

TOP is up like 4 minutes, #1 rushing team in the league.

The Lions game is not a representation of how things are currently going. Lions are better and still would be like 4-5 point favorites at Denver imo. But, allowing 45 is just going to be a super rare occurrence with the way things are going.

Tebow had like 40 attempts against the Lions.

Since then he hasn't even come close. The entire gameplan and offensive playbook is completely different.

I'm pretty sure Tebow is doing this primarily because Assani pussed out and gave up his troll after one bad week.

Praise Tebow!

Let Tebow Overcome!

This is easily a top 10 post itt.

Anything is possible if you put your faith in Tebow.

But seriously, I see them starting at least 3-2 instead of 1-4, so that's 2 more wins.
Broncos would be 8-3 instead imo.

lmao

A++++ This is so epic.

Is there a picture of Carter Tebowing yet? I just did a brief search on google, and I couldn't find it.

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22 rushes today by Tebow, not only does he win, but he conquers Catch-22 in the process.

Yossarian somewhere, would be very proud.

Jets are pretty bad and that game was also a thursday night @ Denver when the Jets played the sunday nighter before that.

completely different offense imo, surprised teh raiders by showing something new, go back to scoring 16-17 ppg.

So.. the anomaly is the one where Denver scored 2x their next highest (I don't disagree).. but not the one where they allowed 2x their next highest?

Just to be clear, everyone on skype knows that i think tebow is a hof person and has goatish intangibles.

First of all its extremely lol that people think you can judge tebow in a 6 game sample, which is an extremely small sample highly affected by variance. The funniest thing is when people say "tebow just wins games" even though his team has been winning despite his lackluster performances. whether people think tebow is good or bad seems to be a sick way of filtering whether people know about football or not. The defense has been goating ever since the qb change, esp von miller. Besides the defense, they have also been carrying tebow through a pretty easy schedule along with some good RB performances (as chim said "#1 rushing team in the league") and key special teams T/O's in his wins. I love tebow as a person but hes one of the worst QB'S in football, objectively speaking.

Denver probably won't score 38 again.. but they probably won't allow 45 either.

The whole game is different. They won't surprise teams like the Raiders got surprised.. but they also won't throw the ball 40 times and not have any TOP.

There is something to be said about Tebow making life a lot easier for the RB's, though. I don't think its coincidence McGahee is beasting all the sudden.

Like I said all along.. if Tebow could complete those easy throws he'd be very good.. and 60% would make him elite.

Sadly right now he can't do either.

[ ] Tebow plays defense

I could really give a ****ing **** about the the lions game being anomaly. It's really tangential to the conversation and stupid nit to make. Tebow is 5-1 is about as relevant as Tebow has a negative point differential. He still blows regardless.

Tebow clearly has an impact on the defense. TOP matters. Not turning it over matters. Field position matters.

After they stopped the 40 attempts all of those things have considerably improved.

TOP is like 4 minutes better now. Denver went from something like -8 to +4 in TO differential (can't remember exact stat but think that was it).

I'm not saying Tebow is great or anything.. but you are really going about this the wrong way.

At least you basically admitted your PD argument was irrelevant.

Also, while he is really terrible at throwing the ball.. he clearly is impacting the RB's. #1 running game in the NFL since he took over. That matters too.

AJ your post tells that YOU'RE the one who knows little of footballl. Perhaps the defense has played better because they NEVER have a short field to defend? Perhaps the running game has come alive because Tebows legs take away from keying on the backfield?

The Jets are not bad any way you slice it. Their record is +.500 and they are good by all advanced metrics. Try again. Oh yeah they had 6 LESS HOURS TO PREPARE than the Broncos oh noes.

Bolded is most important. It's a lot easier to defend 80yards vs. 30, but that appears to be too difficult for some to understand.

Yea, I think this is on point. Okay, New England could rock them pretty hard, but they're averaging 44 rushing attempts per game since that Detroit loss. (lol)

For perspective, coming into this week Houston was #1 in the NFL at 35 per game.

I can't speak for all Denver fans, but personally I'm just enjoying the ride and have zero expectations with Tebow. I don't think he can throw worth a damn, and I think he's a clear dog to make it as a QB in the NFL. He's still fun to watch/root for though, and beating the Chargers/Chiefs/Raiders all in the last month is sweet regardless of how it happened.

Oh wow.

Its easy to do both of these things when you dont throw the ball that often. INT's are very highly correlated with the volume you throw the ball (think about it the less you throw the ball, the more surprising it is to the defense, and the more often it should work). If tebow threw thirty times a game or so and turned it over as less as he did, it would be 100x more impressive.
except thats not true.



Fair point, tho considering they have to run the ball a lot since tebow is the woat pocket passer, its not like nfl defenses wont be able to defend a gimmick strategy like the option better when its not new and a surprise to nfl defenses. Its not even close to sustainable longterm until he is a better pocket passer.

AJ,

Obv it would be more impressive if he threw the ball a ton and didn't turn it over.

But he isn't turning it over. That matters. It doesn't mean he is a top tier QB right now. But it does matter as far as winning games goes.

I think Tebow is still a dog to be an NFL QB 5 years from now. That being said it is certainly possible we just don't understand all the impacts he has on the game and he may raise equity in unique spots. Running games may always be better around him.. turnovers may always be lower.. field position may always be better.

Those things do matter. With Tebow in this tiny sample size those things have been improved.

Yes it is. Tebow's lone turnover was in the end zone, returned 100 yards.. Everything else has been a punt. He has not left them with a short field all season.

I guess when all else fails, let's go back to the same old argument.

Tebow really does get the haters mad.

i love how haters are all "tebow is WOAT pocket passer" and try to evaluate him like they would brady or rivers and pretty much ignore all the things around him that he makes better...it's like, oh he only has 130 passing yards??? obv not sustainable obv. how long must he sustain it before it's not "unsustainable" anymore? 10 games? 20? 5 years?

I should have been a little more clear. INT percentage is highly correlated to passes attempted. The TD/INT ratio is very negatively correlated to passes attempted. If he passed more these numbers would increase and decrease substantially respectively. Its kind of like TS% in basketball (though its impossible to quantify how similar it is), the higher the volume someone can maintain the same TS%, the more its exponentially impressive. Obv when you take 35 shots in a basketball game its way harder to keep a TS% at a certain percentage as a bulk shooter than someone who takes 5-10 shots a game.
I agree it matters, but i disagree with how much he has an impact on these things. When there is a QB change, it sends the message that anyones job is on the line. That combined with non guaranteed contracts, all the sudden people are going to give a lot more effort. I agree that tebow brings some leadership/intangible qualities that are hard to quantify, but i think that still the gap between bringing tebow into to the qb position - bringing a replacement level qb in is a lot smaller than people would like to admit based on the factors referenced earlier.

Was going to post exactly this.

5 star post Seadood.


I love it when Tebow gets those haters mad.

Don't worry, ActionJacson, Tebow is praying for you:

i'm curious...starting with the miami game, if orton was still the starter, what do u haters think denver's current record would be? I think michael irvin just said it best on nfl gameday. he read in the bible "He hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise." All of you are just confounded by tebow b/c he's so unorthodox and you don't know how to properly evaluate what you're seeing. At the end of the day, I evaluate it by W-L. 5-1. I will pray for you all.

First of all i dont get why me loving tebow as a person/ his intangibles is mutually exclusive with me objectively evaluating how good of a QB he is.

Anyway, "short field" is really subjective and therefore youre claim is conveniently really hard to falsify. Your argument would be a lot better if you said like chim that field position has improved instead of "they never had to deal with a short field," Which obv isnt true.
well your falling for a common fallacy called being results oriented. Orton is a way better QB so id say that if the roles were reversed and orton relieved tebow (so it motivates the team in the same way) that his expectation to win each game is substantially higher, hence being way more likely to be 5-1 or 6-0.