Vince Young is so much better than Tim Tebow, and it isn't even close.

[ ] vince young was even close to as good of a college player as tim tebow.

you are an idiot, 0 percent chance they win the nc without him 3 years ago. that is absurd.

you must be high

no, you are the one who added the x. meaning you are either high or a moron.

vince young 2004 (sophomore): 12 td, 11 int, 14 rushing td
vince young 2005 (junior): 26 td, 10 int, 12 rushing td

and those werent "mediocre" texas teams, it was a #4 11-1 team in 2004 and a 12-0 national champion team in 05.

tebow 2007 (sophomore): 32 td, 6 int, 23 rushing td
tebow 2008 (junior): 34 td, 4 int, 12 rushing td

9-4 in 2007, 12-1 national champs in 08. get a grip.

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I think zugzwang did a good job getting his point across.

Agreed.

I don't really have a counter argument. My opinion is based on having seen them both play at their peak in about 5 games each, heh. Young just seemed more impossible to defend against.

Does leadership ability have any relevance to this discussion

And Bradford's numbers were even better as a sophomore, so either Bradford was better or numbers don't matter much. Too bad he got injured this year though...

dont get me started on the defense quality between the big12 (lol) and the sec. but maybe you forgot? they kinda played each other. tebow won. bradford looked like... well damn i dont know any quarterbacks bad enough to compare him to in that game.

Here is a number that matters a little bit, by the way:
Bradford: 0 national titles
Tebow: 2 national titles

Bradford wouldn't even come close to approaching his sophomore numbers, he had a decade to throw everytime they passed last year, their o-line is flat dog**** this year in comparison.

Yes, big difference between offense quality as well, which is why the SEC defenses looked so good.

Uh, sure. And one game is a great sample size.


Irrelevant, because football is the ultimate team game.

Sure, he wouldn't beat them, but he would Tebow's.

if you dont realize the disparity in defense quality, i dont even know what will convince you at this point. saying that its even CLOSE is a leap. but big difference in the offense quality? perhaps you didnt read those number tebow has put up...

yeah huge coincidence that the first time he plays a real defense, oklahoma scores 14 pts instead of their SEASON AVERAGE OF 51.1
same thing happened vs tOSU in 07 edit:34 pts per game for heisman winner troy smith and the only buckeyes team to ever score a perfect 1.00 in the bcs ratings


not irrelevant when you consider that florida would have 0 championships in the last 3 years instead of 2 in the last 3 years with any quarterback other than tebow. ill give you the benefit of the doubt and believe that you havent watched every UF game during that span, but the number of games that they won because of his running ability is insane considering hes a running quarterback that teams also have to defend against the throw.

again... its the big 12 lol. if you had been born in honolulu, youd be making the same ******ed argument for colt brennan. not to mention giving credence to something a player MIGHT have accomplished had x, y, or z not happened is just... plain silly.

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Good point. Timmy Chang needs more love.

Tebow may be top 5 or top 10 in the GOAT discussion if you base the discussion on accomplishments. He is obviously nowhere close if you base it on ability.

Also the Big12 arguments are seriously hilarious. I can't tell the difference between religious people arguing for their beliefs and Big12 fans saying the random **** they say to try to convince themselves that the Big12 > SEC.

I disagree with this alot...both Tebow and Harvin were important cogs of that team, and UF doesn't win against UTenn or Arky without Tebow (I'm sure you can point out other games as well). UF has had a severe lack of short yardage backs the past few years (and to some degree, still do, though Tebow has obviously taken that place).

With that said, UF 2006 was clearly Chris Leak's team...he was the starting quarterback and Tebow should NOT get credit for winning a NC (as a QB), unlike 2008, when the team was clearly his.

i think he should get as much credit as a brandon james-esque player does for getting it in 08. clearly not a "full" national championship but to overlook it completely is imo a mistake. which, as you noted, is not counting it as a QB but its still something that needs to be included on his GOAT resume - its GOAT player, not GOAT player when they played nothing but QB. troy smith was like a kick returner or something bizarre his freshman year.

2006 Florida was Leak's team, but they do not win the NC without Tebow, either. The two are not mutually exclusive. Tebow very much was the short yardage back even in 2006.

Taking out the UCF and Western Carolina games (because those games were blowouts and he played as a back-up and threw out of the ordinary in those games), Tebow threw the ball 6 times in 2006. He ran the ball 76 times. That is 93% runs.

Tebow was a key part of that offense. He came in during short yardage situations and was very successful, despite the opposing team knowing he exactly what he was going to do.

lets not forget the victory vs LSU. 23-10, one running td by tebow and 2 passing tds

wait, that's not who posted this

This is outrageous.

No other player in the history of football can score on one yard touchdown runs.

although he has been surrounded by talent, a lot of you guys are forgetting that he plays in the toughest conference in division 1. the same couldnt be said for randy moss or vy at the time imo.

now im not saying he is the best or the most talented by any means, but as far as college players go, he has put up v good numbers, won national titles, and won the heisman. not being in the discussion is ridiculous.