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Tebow: Potentially the GOAT? Tebow: Potentially the GOAT?
View Poll Results: Will Tebow go down as the GOAT
Almost for sure no matter what at this point
173 42.09%
Just finish the season strong/good bowl performance
15 3.65%
Just win heisman or go to BCS title game
23 5.60%
If they win it all this year and he wins heisman
50 12.17%
No way, no matter what
150 36.50%

10-20-2009 , 04:01 AM
I don't think Bo Jackson took anything seriously, including football.

Of course being the fastest confirmed player in NFL history does not hurt one's chances...
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10-20-2009 , 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by SharkTank43
Well if we're discussing GOAT of all time based on pure talent, then it's got to be Randy Moss in my opinion, I had never seen anything like him before, and I doubt I will see anything like him ever again.
+1

randy moss in college made it look like a video game where you just throw it to your best player every time vs the computer on easy mode and its an automatic catch
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10-20-2009 , 04:31 AM
On an elite team, Jake Locker would be as good as Tim Tebow.

So no, def not GOAT.
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10-20-2009 , 06:28 AM
Locker so overrated at this point.
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10-20-2009 , 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by SharkTank43
Well if we're discussing GOAT of all time based on pure talent, then it's got to be Randy Moss in my opinion, I had never seen anything like him before, and I doubt I will see anything like him ever again.
That's not really what we are discussing though.
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10-20-2009 , 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Franchise 60
That's not really what we are discussing though.
Yeah, I was responding to a post above where someone was questioning whether we are judging based on accomplishments or pure talent....FWIW, I stated above that my top 3 players of the decade are Reggie Bush, VY, and Tebow.
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10-20-2009 , 07:10 AM
I think Marcus Harris is the GOAT.
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10-20-2009 , 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Fyte On
If Charlie Ward played today and in one of these more creative offenses, he would be in this discussion imo.

Back then Florida State always played their qbs for two years, so its harder to make a case for him, but his two seasons, especially his Sr year, were excellent. Also, FSU didn't have designed runs for him, so his 880+ career rushing yards were all improv. In a Meyer/Rich Rod type offense today, he'd be fantastic.
This is a pretty good point and what I've always hated about Bowden/Richt. They didn't adapt their system to the players at all, they just ran their pro style offense and didn't make any effort to highlight the strengths of their players. You put Ward in Florida's offense last year, and I don't think anyone would have a prayer of stopping them. Tebow is good, but they were so loaded on offense last year, that a lot of QBs would've put up similar or slightly better numbers. We're seeing this year that Tebow is merely above average without Harvin and Murphy.
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10-20-2009 , 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Franchise 60
Locker so overrated at this point.
Locker gets screwed over for being on the Huskies. Put him on the Gators and he would be way better.

He's definitely rough around the edges, but has some immense upside. If he's handled properly in the NFL, he could become a great QB. Thing is if he's not, he'll be the next JaMarcus Russell.

Actually, the whole Locker/Clausen situation does resemble the Russell/Quinn debate. Like Russell, Locker is rough around the edges, but has a strong arm, great athleticism and size with a bunch of upside. Like Quinn, Clausen is a more refined QB trained well under a pro-style offense.

I think Clausen is more NFL ready. Locker could use another year to improve. But he won't stay another year, especially after seeing what happened to Sam Bradford when he stayed. Locker is a early/mid first round pick if he declares this year. Heck, some people think he's the #1 QB in this draft class if he declares.
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10-20-2009 , 09:15 AM
His completion percentage wouldn't magically jump 10% if he went to a better team. I like him and all but I don't think he is as good of a college player as Tebow.
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10-20-2009 , 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Franchise 60
His completion percentage wouldn't magically jump 10% if he went to a better team. I like him and all but I don't think he is as good of a college player as Tebow.
I don't see why it could not. Better overall players and perhaps a better over all system could improve completion percentage imo.
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10-20-2009 , 11:16 AM
He needs to win another Heisman and National Championship, if he does that there is no doubt in my mind that he will be the greatest college player of all time even with his mediocre season thus far.
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10-20-2009 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Dudd
Miles ahead is a stretch, especially his senior year.
Well, good thing I specifically referred to their entire careers. Young was a terrible passer until his senior year. Even then, I wouldn't call him an above average passer. His completion percentage is much better his senior year, but he really wasn't asked to throw the ball downfield much at all. Texas's offense was such that Young only needed to make the basic throws, and he didn't even do that at an especially great level.
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10-20-2009 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Franchise 60
Locker so overrated at this point.
is he as overrated as Tebow?
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10-20-2009 , 11:47 AM
If he wins the heisman or wins the BCS title game, he'll have the most important credentials (hardware) in most peoples' eyes for the GOAT.

This should have been an option in the poll. If he just goes to the title game (no heisman) and loses, his image as a big-game player is shattered and no GOAT.
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10-20-2009 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by negtv capability
If he wins the heisman or wins the BCS title game, he'll have the most important credentials (hardware) in most peoples' eyes for the GOAT.

This should have been an option in the poll. If he just goes to the title game (no heisman) and loses, his image as a big-game player is shattered and no GOAT.
To be honest, I think he needs to win both.
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10-20-2009 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by MegaFossil
We're seeing this year that Tebow is merely above average without Harvin and Murphy.
Above average is low balling. He's had a good year considering his teammates & OL have struggled at times. The "great" part is not there quite yet this year, however.

He was having a really good game vs UT individually until he fumbled, and having a great game vs UK until he got knocked out. He played well against LSU considering he was being held back.

The coaches have taken out most of his individual spread option plays since the concussion, to avoid hits(yet they go 5 wide and let him get hit), so we'll see if he gets more opportunity to have some of those magical runs he has had the past 2 years.
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10-20-2009 , 12:23 PM
Gotta love that T-Bone.
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10-20-2009 , 12:54 PM
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Like Russell, Locker is rough around the edges, but has a strong arm, great athleticism and size with a bunch of upside. Like Quinn, Clausen is a more refined QB trained well under a pro-style offense.
was jamarcus really considered athletic?
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10-20-2009 , 12:56 PM
Pretty sure Jamarcus was just considered fat.
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10-20-2009 , 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Case Closed
I don't see why it could not. Better overall players and perhaps a better over all system could improve completion percentage imo.
It'll make a guy who has thrown between 47% and 57% throw in the high 60s? What part of Washington's system makes it tough for him to complete over 60% of his passes?

He is not close to efficient enough for the way some people talk him up in these parts.
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10-20-2009 , 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by SharkTank43



I would say yes if he ends the year strong....also perusing google images, the chicks this dude has been with are all absolutely amazing, even if he doesn't **** any of them, including:


Not his girlfriend actually.

Though this did inspire me to search for GOAT breasts. Sadly, I was disappointed to see a whole bunch of meat pictures
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10-20-2009 , 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Franchise 60
It'll make a guy who has thrown between 47% and 57% throw in the high 60s? What part of Washington's system makes it tough for him to complete over 60% of his passes?
The parts that suck a lot...which is every part except for Locker.
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10-21-2009 , 03:09 AM
Tebow is not even the best QB this decade much less greatest college football player ever.

They would have won the mnc without him his freshman year. Surrounded by the most talent in college ball over the last four years. Has been rather unremarkable this year. If he was actually great he wouldn't even be in college anymore.
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10-21-2009 , 03:21 AM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
The parts that suck a lot...which is every part except for Locker.
Sick 11-6 TD/INT ratio as well.
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