Man, if Barry Sanders actually played more than one year it would absolutely be him.

2628 yds rushing, 3249 total yards, 39 TDs. In one year.

And they didn't even include bowl games back then, so it's really 2850 yds rushing and 44 TDs.

lol

Miles ahead is a stretch, especially his senior year. VY was also a much more explosive runner, Tebow is basically a glorified fullback as a runner. I know if I'm starting a team and have to choose between a senior VY and a senior Tebow, I'm taking VY without even thinking too hard about it.

He'll have to win the Heisman and not only win the NC, but also completely crush every other player that could possibly compete with him.

The first three players that came to mind as GOAT were Barry Sanders, Orlando Pace and Randy Moss

dummies,

that's lucy pinder

i doubt she knows tim tebow

Fixed your post. Munoz was the goods.

I don't see how he couldn't be considered the GOAT if he wins another Heisman or National Championship. He's got the SEC record for most total touchdowns, and will probably have the record for most rushing TDs by the end of the year, and there have been some great RBs in the SEC.
3 NC and/or 2 Heismans is incredible. His NFL stock doesn't factor into the equation here. Just going by his college performance, I think he will be the GOAT.

I go to UF so take that fwiw.

Munoz is awesome and all but I find it hard to believe he was anywhere near as dominant as Pace at the collegiate level. Pace finished 4th in the Heisman voting!!!!

Also, this:

Also Pace was a 1st overall pick in the NFL draft and Munoz was only 3rd.

Jason White
Danny Wuerffel
Thad Busby
Ron Powlus
Drew Henson
Tee Martin
Timmy Chang
Colt Brennan
Alex Smith
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Hahahaha yeah my bad, I think you're right, seems people have mistaken his girlfriend for that chick....regardless, that chick is dynamite.

Munoz was beyond great. It was really unfair other d-lineman had to play against him. I think USC lost 3 games while he was at USC. I wonder why?

He was also multi-sport, a pitcher at D1 college level.

I saw Pace play last night, and Munoz never looked that bad even when he was hurt.

Forgot Jarrious Jackson.

Isn't that Lucy Pinder or something?

Tommie Frazier is the GOAT

I'll make GREEAR!!!! happy by saying that Charles Woodson belongs in the discussion.

I voted based on the fact that Tebow will be hyped as the GOAT if he wins another heisman and NC this year. However, he'll still be behind Frazier and many others imo even if he accomplishes this.

I was right

Yeah, explained above, apparently Tebow's girlfriend looks somewhat like her so people were posting mistaken information on various other websites.

If you are basing your opinion on 33yo Pace going against NFL players then it is no wonder you think Munoz is better.

Munoz certainly had a better pro career than Pace, but I think Pace dominates Munoz in terms of peak for both the NFL and college. He didn't give up a sack in either his junior or senior year and wiki makes it sound like his Heisman run helped bring the term "pancake" to the masses.

I'd like to hear what Needle thinks.

He is a great runner, especially if you consider that he isn't the fastest guy in the world. He's phenomenal at breaking tackles, delivering the blow, and surprisingly skilled at juking, spin moves, and making people miss. I don't even think he's the GOAT, and I'm trying to be objective about him but saying Tebow is basically a glorified runner is off base, if you have really watched Florida football.

I'd say he's somewhere in between good and great passer. He really does throw a good ball, just not very pretty some of the time, but it gets there with velocity and in stride. He throws a great deep ball.

His weakness is settling for the check down rather than trying to make a play with his feet, especially this year. If he would hit a RB out of the backfield, his passing yards would be up there with McCoy right now.

If he plays at a slightly higher level the rest of the year & gets to a BCS game or wins the Heisman with said play, he has to be top 5, but I'm not sure beyond that.

He's probably top 10, along with most of the other players listed. It's hard to compare across positions though.

Also, winning national titles is largely a function of being on a great team. Put Tebow on Iowa St. and they don't win national titles.

Heisman's are also heavily influenced by this as well of course.

This is correct.

I'd be willing to concede that Pace's collegiate career was better (or at least perceived to be better) than Munoz. But I look at football talent a bit differently: I don't think college level play is enough to differentiate the true greats, whereas NFL can do that much more effectively. Munoz' NFL career was truly outstanding, and he proved that he was probably the best O-lineman ever at that level.

Remember all of the "perceived" great college talent that never panned out, in particular O- and D-linemen. Of course Pace had a great NFL career as well.

Thank you.

The result of this argument depends on what you are using to measure GOAT.

If you use accomplishments then Tebow is going to do well.

If you use talent then Tebow will not do well.

Pretty simple imo

I really can't think of one thing Tebow does better than Marcus Allen when he played. And if there is anything (long passing?) it certainly would not overcome Allen's complete superiority running the ball.

Well if we're discussing GOAT of all time based on pure talent, then it's got to be Randy Moss in my opinion, I had never seen anything like him before, and I doubt I will see anything like him ever again.