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View Poll Results: What will be the outcome of the game?
Falcons win; over 37 32.17%
Falcons win; under 15 13.04%
Pats win, don't cover; over 3 2.61%
Pats win, don't cover; under 7 6.09%
Pats cover; over 20 17.39%
Pats cover; under 33 28.70%
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Old 02-11-2017, 06:22 AM   #3551
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Re: SUPER BOWL LI: GOOD (+3) vs. EVIL (o/u 58)

Holy Thread! It was a treat to rewatch the game along with your posts, everyone. Those LOL PATS posts are a lot easier to read when you know who won.

Pats started second half with a huge defensive play, and that set the tone. They played every down like they were on fire. That poor ATL center with the broken leg never stood a chance.

The back who missed the block on the Hightower sack/fumble: the other RB got hurt the play before. I wonder if this was HIS assignment, and the fill-in back wasn't on the same page? This guy looked straight ahead and towards the center of the line, he never once turned his head towards the edge, which is precisely where HT came from.

Brady is getting all the credit for this win, but this was really a team effort. Every single player made a play.

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THE 22 ****ING YARD LINE!
Once again, America is blaming a coach's play call--and once again, America is wrong. If I'm Kyle Shanny, I'm calling pass plays in that spot, as well. We had a nice run play to start the opening drive, but our run game has been dog**** ever since. There's a 1% possibility that we're going to lose 21 yards on the next two plays? Well, that's a chance I'm willing to take! I got an MVP gunslinger out there, guiding the #1 offense IN HISTORY. I'm not taking the ball out of his hands! We're not thinking "field goal" here! We came here to WIN this game!

Crushing Shanny for this is like criticizing a poker player who flops quads and gets it all-in (sorry for the poker analogy, but it's perfect in this case), only to get outdrawn.

"You shouldn't have gone all-in!"

"What do you mean? I flopped quads!"

"Yeah, but you lost, so CLEARLY, you made the wrong decision!"

That's not how games with percentages work.
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Old 02-11-2017, 07:05 AM   #3552
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Re: SUPER BOWL LI: GOOD (+3) vs. EVIL (o/u 58)

Playing to win the game seems like a good idea. However a FG wins the game...
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Old 02-11-2017, 07:14 AM   #3553
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Re: SUPER BOWL LI: GOOD (+3) vs. EVIL (o/u 58)

ya that julio jones catch should have been game. its an easy 3 run spot
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Old 02-11-2017, 07:24 AM   #3554
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Re: SUPER BOWL LI: GOOD (+3) vs. EVIL (o/u 58)

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Crushing Shanny for this is like criticizing a poker player who flops quads and gets it all-in (sorry for the poker analogy, but it's perfect in this case), only to get outdrawn.

"You shouldn't have gone all-in!"

"What do you mean? I flopped quads!"

"Yeah, but you lost, so CLEARLY, you made the wrong decision!"

That's not how games with percentages work.
This analogy is so far away from "perfect" it's ridiculous. If you really want to make a terrible poker analogy it's more like being 2nd in chips on the bubble of a flat payout tournament (ie a satellite) and getting it all in with aces vs the chip leader when you could fold into the money 95% of the time.
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Old 02-11-2017, 09:09 AM   #3555
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Re: SUPER BOWL LI: GOOD (+3) vs. EVIL (o/u 58)

Both of those are terrible. Please no more poker analogies
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Old 02-11-2017, 09:21 AM   #3556
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Re: SUPER BOWL LI: GOOD (+3) vs. EVIL (o/u 58)

What the **** were those analogies
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Old 02-11-2017, 09:36 AM   #3557
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Re: SUPER BOWL LI: GOOD (+3) vs. EVIL (o/u 58)

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The rule was already changed to give teams a chance to answer a field goal.
Don't see how it's unfair that you lose if you give up a TD on any possession of OT.
This. Can we stop with the AIDS OT discussion now? Back to the good stuff....



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Old 02-12-2017, 12:49 AM   #3558
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Re: SUPER BOWL LI: GOOD (+3) vs. EVIL (o/u 58)

YTF just confirmed that running was the only decision.
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Old 02-12-2017, 12:56 AM   #3559
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Re: SUPER BOWL LI: GOOD (+3) vs. EVIL (o/u 58)

Should probably take a knee to lessen the chance of fumbles, holding penalties, runs for loss, etc
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Old 02-12-2017, 03:00 AM   #3560
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Re: SUPER BOWL LI: GOOD (+3) vs. EVIL (o/u 58)

OT change is easy. Instead allowing FGs to be tied, change it so if the first team to touch the ball scores, the second team has one change to beat that score. No ties. Otherwise OT is sudden death as normal.

So in this SB, assuming the Pats kicked the XP - the Falcons would have one chance to win the game with a TD+2. Anything less or a loss of possession is a loss. How exciting would that be? If the Pats have the balls to go for TD+2 they win outright. But if they miss that exposes them to losing to a TD+1, so I doubt they would.

I've had this idea since before the new OT rules, and posted it here several times. Someone needs to get me in touch with Goodell or one of the owners. I know I could sell them.

I believe it's still advantageous to receive in this scenario - but seems like not much more than a coinflip.
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Old 02-12-2017, 04:23 AM   #3561
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Re: SUPER BOWL LI: GOOD (+3) vs. EVIL (o/u 58)

ot rules are fine. there are plenty of opportunities to win a game in regulation.
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Old 02-12-2017, 04:57 AM   #3562
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Re: SUPER BOWL LI: GOOD (+3) vs. EVIL (o/u 58)

Right. So let's just settle it with a coin flip and go home.
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Old 02-12-2017, 05:02 AM   #3563
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Re: SUPER BOWL LI: GOOD (+3) vs. EVIL (o/u 58)

6-6-2
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Old 02-12-2017, 11:32 AM   #3564
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Re: SUPER BOWL LI: GOOD (+3) vs. EVIL (o/u 58)

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ot rules are fine. there are plenty of opportunities to win a game in regulation.
ya. its just a flip too. you have to win a 50-50 to get the advantage anyway of the decision to receive or kick (some match ups ive seen its right to kick) i believe a rams 49ers game a couple years ago they made that decision and everyone agreed it was right

luck elements in games are not the end of the world. its not a flip to win the game. you still have a chance
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Old 02-12-2017, 11:36 AM   #3565
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Re: SUPER BOWL LI: GOOD (+3) vs. EVIL (o/u 58)

Also would like to add that the college OT rules are the worse i could imagine. why not just create a new sport while you are at it?
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Old 02-12-2017, 11:39 AM   #3566
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It seems pretty easy. If the team who gets the ball first scores a TD, there will be a kickoff, and the receiving team will get a chance to match. If they don't, game over. Same with FG's. How hard is that.
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Old 02-12-2017, 11:42 AM   #3567
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It seems pretty easy. If the team who gets the ball first scores a TD, there will be a kickoff, and the receiving team will get a chance to match. If they don't, game over. Same with FG's. How hard is that.
Ah so you want to increase the advantage to the team that wins the coin toss?
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Old 02-12-2017, 11:44 AM   #3568
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Re: SUPER BOWL LI: GOOD (+3) vs. EVIL (o/u 58)

I also think they should just remove OT from regular season games because of the physical nature of the game
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Old 02-12-2017, 11:46 AM   #3569
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Right. So let's just settle it with a coin flip and go home.
The flip doesn't win the game. It's close to 50:50 post flip no matter who wins the flip.
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Old 02-12-2017, 11:54 AM   #3570
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Re: SUPER BOWL LI: GOOD (+3) vs. EVIL (o/u 58)

No idea what the optimal OT rules are but watching MAtty Ice attempt to drive it back with tears in his eyes would have been awesome. Or would that be too mean?
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Old 02-12-2017, 02:32 PM   #3571
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I also think they should just remove OT from regular season games because of the physical nature of the game
3 pts for a win and 1 for a draw would be awesome. I'd love to see the ways coaches come up with to burn equity in this case
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Old 02-12-2017, 02:38 PM   #3572
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Re: SUPER BOWL LI: GOOD (+3) vs. EVIL (o/u 58)

Just watched the XFL 30 for 30

How about a scramble for the ball to start OT?
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Old 02-12-2017, 04:16 PM   #3573
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Re: SUPER BOWL LI: GOOD (+3) vs. EVIL (o/u 58)

The best thing you could do to NFL OT is eliminate the option of a FG. First unanswered TD wins. There would be tons of amazing, high leverage 4th down plays.
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Lol.
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Old 02-12-2017, 04:23 PM   #3575
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No idea what the optimal OT rules are but watching MAtty Ice attempt to drive it back with tears in his eyes would have been awesome. Or would that be too mean?
Just blows my mind how people constantly attack a guy who has done it the right way from day 1 and has likely squeezed every ounce of talent out of his body.
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