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View Poll Results: What will be the outcome of the game?
Falcons win; over 37 32.17%
Falcons win; under 15 13.04%
Pats win, don't cover; over 3 2.61%
Pats win, don't cover; under 7 6.09%
Pats cover; over 20 17.39%
Pats cover; under 33 28.70%
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Old 02-07-2017, 09:14 PM   #3426
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Re: SUPER BOWL LI: GOOD (+3) vs. EVIL (o/u 58)

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Atlanta radio (and many fans) is now in anger mode. Blaming Quinn hardest
I'm not in anger mode. I think blaming Quinn is lame. You want to be a nitty ***** Shanny called the plays, Quinn should have vetoed, Ryan could have audibled. That's your line of thinking in criticizing the best offense in football.

On the same token A LOT A LOT A LOT of pieces had to fall into place for the Patriots to pull this off. It truly was a perfect storm of epic proportions but mad? No. I'm sad, I'm heartbroken, I'm disappointed. I've honestly had break ups that didn't feel as bad as this. Denny Green wasn't joking, we knew exactly who the Patriots were and we let them off the hook. No better way to put it and it sucks.
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Old 02-07-2017, 09:25 PM   #3427
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I can truly say that I never gave up hope.

"Things are bad, for sure, but there is still a lot of time left, and 19 points isn't THAT much."

Atlanta blowing it from 2nd down at the 20 was completely ridiculous. They should have taken Kyle Shanahan's offer away.
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Old 02-07-2017, 09:26 PM   #3428
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Can you guys help me out with settling some Super Bowl exotic prop bets? I'm running a contest for fun in 4L. I've spent 4+ hrs scouring the internet for these results with no success. The major problems are the "will commentators say X" props. Next year I'm going to stick with more vanilla ones if I do it again. The contest was 40 questions, I've solved 31 and have these 9 left.

Will Joe Buck or Troy Aikman mention that Tom Brady was drafted in the sixth round of the NFL draft during the broadcast?

Will Joe Buck or Troy Aikman reference the game's odds (spread/total/underdog/favorite) during the broadcast?

Number of times "dynasty" is said during the broadcast (over/under 3.5)

Will Michael Vick be said during the broadcast?

Will Aaron Hernandez be said during the broadcast?

Will any player do the Dirty Bird touchdown celebration?

How many commercials will Peyton Manning appear in during the Super Bowl broadcast? (over/under 1.5)

Will James Harden appear in a commercial during the Super Bowl broadcast?

Will “Matty Ice” be said during the broadcast? (over/under 0.5)
Brady 6th round = yes. They talked about him telling Kraft that "drafting him in the 6th round was the best decision the franchise ever made". I'm very confident in that.

Peyton is <1.5. Very confident in that.

No Aaron hernandez, very confident.

No Mike Vick, very confident

For the rest:
I think they referenced underdog/favorite, but can't recall exactly
I think dynasty <3.5 but can't be sure
Don't think there was a dirty bird
Don't think there was a Harden commercial
I think they referred to him as Matty Ice at least once
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Old 02-07-2017, 09:32 PM   #3429
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Brady 6th round = yes. They talked about him telling Kraft that "drafting him in the 6th round was the best decision the franchise ever made". I'm very confident in that.

Peyton is <1.5. Very confident in that.

No Aaron hernandez, very confident.

No Mike Vick, very confident

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I think they referenced underdog/favorite, but can't recall exactly
I think dynasty <3.5 but can't be sure
Don't think there was a dirty bird
Don't think there was a Harden commercial
I think they referred to him as Matty Ice at least once
Yea that was my gut feeling on most of these as well. In the FAQ the thought is that they were talking about Brady being a 6th rounder during the postgame MVP stuff.

Matty Ice usage is up for debate. Bovada paid the UNDER on 1.5 but I can't find if there was a single use or not.

Underdog and dynasty props are my biggest at-large questions still.

Thanks for the input.
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Old 02-07-2017, 10:12 PM   #3430
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Is it weird I finally shed a tear?

And you guys are overanalyzing the dumbest ****
Generally yes, it is weird to cry over sports, but in this case I have to give you a pass. The thing about this loss that is so brutal is not just the choke, but the fact that it was the Falcons that did it. Like every rational person here knows this franchise is only gonna get a legit chance to win it all probably once or maaybe twice a century. And you guys had it and then blew it. And now chances are as a Falcons fan you will die without seeing them get a SB victory. And that sux.

That's why the Cards losing to the Steelers was so crushing too cuz they're in the same boat. That was their one shot in a hundred years. Growing up watching a horrible franchise like the Detroit Lions I can feel that pain becuz the Lions are almost certainly guaranteed to never win it all in my lifetime or in the lifetime of any child. That's just the nature of their organization, so when other organizations close to that pathetic level somehow bubble up and get a chance to grab that Vince Lombardi trophy, it really hurts way more when it slips through their hands cuz that's probably it for the next 100 years.

If it was a good franchise that epically choked it wouldn't be that devastating cuz they'll get another chance sooner or later. That's not how it works for the Falcons. They had their shot and it's gone, likely forever. I'm not a sentimental person, but I think that's something worth crying over.
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Old 02-07-2017, 10:22 PM   #3431
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Generally yes, it is weird to cry over sports, but in this case I have to give you a pass. The thing about this loss that is so brutal is not just the choke, but the fact that it was the Falcons that did it. Like every rational person here knows this franchise is only gonna get a legit chance to win it all probably once or maaybe twice a century. And you guys had it and then blew it. And now chances are as a Falcons fan you will die without seeing them get a SB victory. And that sux.

That's why the Cards losing to the Steelers was so crushing too cuz they're in the same boat. That was their one shot in a hundred years. Growing up watching a horrible franchise like the Detroit Lions I can feel that pain becuz the Lions are almost certainly guaranteed to never win it all in my lifetime or in the lifetime of any child. That's just the nature of their organization, so when other organizations close to that pathetic level somehow bubble up and get a chance to grab that Vince Lombardi trophy, it really hurts way more when it slips through their hands cuz that's probably it for the next 100 years.

If it was a good franchise that epically choked it wouldn't be that devastating cuz they'll get another chance sooner or later. That's not how it works for the Falcons. They had their shot and it's gone, likely forever. I'm not a sentimental person, but I think that's something worth crying over.
I get the sentiment of what you are saying but you are probably overstating it a bit. This was the Falcons second appearance in the Super Bowl in the last 20 years and they've only been around for 51 years and have 2 appearances. It's not awesome but it's certainly not awful either.
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Old 02-07-2017, 10:28 PM   #3432
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**** that noise. If you're allowed to hoot and holler and feel like the happiest person in the world when your team wins, you should be able to cry when your team gets close and doesn't finish.

Then again, I cry over everything. I think there is legitimately something wrong with me.
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Old 02-07-2017, 11:18 PM   #3433
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What's funny is people forget this call went against NE earlier in the season. I think vs NYJ they called it when Testaverde lost the ball so in this game BB said he knew they were going to change the call.

Here it is https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuck...ots_.282001.29
Tuck rule existed it was the incorrect call though. Brady had both hands on the ball when the ball was knocked out of his hands. He had already tucked the ball.

Still that's not the Pats fault but the idiot ref and reply officials.
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Old 02-08-2017, 12:41 AM   #3434
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I always thought that was the rule as well, but the discussion around this play indicated that "ground can't cause the fumble" is just a thing people say. Until you're ruled down, either by contact or giving yourself up by sliding, the play is live and fumbles are fumbles.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...es-on-4th-down
Manning didn't give himself up, he fumbled as he fell forward.

That is very different than what happened in the S.B.:

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That is what happened in the S.B. The receiving was lying on the ground, he put the ball down and ran to the huddle.
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Old 02-08-2017, 12:42 AM   #3435
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Rewatching the game that Julio catch was just amazing. Legit good enough to be deserving of being a superbowl winner.

Alot of the time the Tyree and Manningham catches are lumped in together, but imo while you can say the helmet catch was kinda weird, the Manningham play was just a perfect throw and a great catch at a huge moment. That is my same feeling about Julio's catch
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Pats got a fumble recovery a few years ago when a receiver for the Chargers went down on his own and then smacked the ball down and ran to the huddle.
Seems like a blown call.
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Old 02-08-2017, 01:32 AM   #3437
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Being a Pats fan must be like being Marie Antoinette.
Nah, most of us have plenty of empathy. I feel truly bad for Falcons fans, and would have felt good for them if they won (not to mention Ryan is BC).

But you can't expect us to root against our own team, right? Or revel when we accomplished the greatest SB comeback ever? Or even gloat against the haters and nay-sayers? Marie Antionette was born into royalty. Brady was a 6th round draft choice and Belichick was a castoff from Cleveland. Lettuce have this moment for as long as it might last.
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Old 02-08-2017, 01:39 AM   #3438
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I'm not in anger mode. I think blaming Quinn is lame. You want to be a nitty ***** Shanny called the plays, Quinn should have vetoed, Ryan could have audibled. That's your line of thinking in criticizing the best offense in football.

On the same token A LOT A LOT A LOT of pieces had to fall into place for the Patriots to pull this off. It truly was a perfect storm of epic proportions but mad? No. I'm sad, I'm heartbroken, I'm disappointed. I've honestly had break ups that didn't feel as bad as this. Denny Green wasn't joking, we knew exactly who the Patriots were and we let them off the hook. No better way to put it and it sucks.

Feels like this single post is working through a few Stages. Take your time, man.

And go ahead and blame the loss on Bad Coach Thread Championship Belt Holder Emeritus Dan Quinn. You'll feel better being honest with yourself.
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Old 02-08-2017, 02:11 AM   #3439
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Yeah, it wasn't a dumb stablish reason. It was a good stablish reason. I guess you could say.

I think NE was right to make the effort to keep ATL's pass rush honest. Other times when teams try to stablish it just seems a lot dumber. The falcons pass rush is considered a lot better than their run defense.
Willd's point was that your original point is the same as everyone's "establish" point, which is the same as your followup point.

They still got to Brady a lot. And even a couple of the TD drives included heavy pressures that could have resulted in picks.

But, Blount never fumbles, Brady hardly ever throws pick-6es. Etc. the line between execution and variance is so elusive.
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Old 02-08-2017, 02:49 AM   #3440
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Brady threw it away several times while getting hit in Bledsoe-esque fashion.

RBs are going to bounce back big time next year. Teams are doing a much better job on pass defense and what is and isn't a penalty has become a known quantity.

Making fun of coaches for establishing the run was fun while it lasted, but I have a feeling were gonna see changes to more run heavy offenses starting next year.
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Old 02-08-2017, 02:58 AM   #3441
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And some of those Brady pushes could have been picked. I love my boy Tommy and he put so many passes right on hands, often from weird arm angles or while going down, calling him the GOAT is fine. But he also had 4th Q passes that were completely pickable.

And that GOAT Julio sideline catch is only because Ryan delivered it on the move in a perfect spot. If that play happened on 3rd and 16 with the Falcons down a score, it would be in the pantheon. And it should be anyway.
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You know Boston sports existed before 2001? And 2007 ****ing hurt, as did the Sox 2003 collapse.

But no, you're right. I'm sorry for trying to have a bit of compassion. I should instead act like mradvantage and relentlessly troll you into oblivion.

So **** you and your chokey team. I'm glad you're miserable and I hope you never feel the elation that I feel like every freaking year.

Is that better?
lol it's just not comparable. I'm sorry you had to settle for 3 rings in 7 years instead of 4 in 7. Truly, sounds horrible.

2003 Sox is decent I guess
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Old 02-08-2017, 06:48 AM   #3443
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one of the most rigged games of all time
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Correct call? You obviously don't know the rule. Which isn't surprising since nobody does, but the rule states if the quarterback has two hands on the ball after bringing the ball down and then fumbles it's a fumble. That was a fumble, you know it, I know it, Tom Brady knows it. Tom Brady would be a greeter at a Vegas casino if it wasn't for the NFL paying tribute to Kraft for working out a deal to get Gillette built. But yeah man dynasty sure.
This is just special.

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I feel sorry for the people that get to watch the GOAT in their lifetime but because of hate dont let themselves enjoy it.
So much this. Just enjoy watching two GOATs do their thing, you'll be a lot happier.
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People saying this game was rigged or the reffing was bad are so wrong it's incredible.

I thought the game was incredibly consistent and the ref who nailed the Edelman catch was the perfect example, these guys were on point in every situation.
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mic'd up was on Inside the NFL last night. they had Brady, Edelman, Blount, Sanu, Gabriel I think. pretty entertaining.

biggest takeaway was the botching of the final score/review. White gets in, refs call TD, confetti cannons go off, and it's bedlam on the field. only problem is the standard review hasn't taken place yet (and it was a legit close call, White was only in by inches).

Edelman is telling people the game isn't over, Brady tells Matt Ryan the game isn't over, then BB comes over and tells Edelman the game is actually over (a ref must have found BB and told him?)

but if the refs had gotten the call wrong it would have been a gigantic mess. Aikman actually says this on the broadcast.
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People saying this game was rigged or the reffing was bad are so wrong it's incredible.

I thought the game was incredibly consistent and the ref who nailed the Edelman catch was the perfect example, these guys were on point in every situation.
Some crybabies I work with were arguing that the holding call on Matthews and the PI at end of game were bad calls. I just had to walk away.

Refs did an excellent job this game. This crew should do every super bowl.
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Some crybabies I work with were arguing that the holding call on Matthews and the PI at end of game were bad calls. I just had to walk away.

Refs did an excellent job this game. This crew should do every super bowl.
For the most part NFL refs are pretty elite. Yeah they miss calls from time to time but they are human. It's pretty sic though how many calls they get right the first time that are "bang bang" calls. There have been some crazy toe taps on the sideline that i really can't tell one way or the other live but you'll see some ref running in emphatically making the catch signal. Run the replay... both feet in, catch. This happens way more often than the other way around.
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Agreed. And the non calls too. On holding play Ryan and (especially) Sanu both had each others facemasks. Refs did right thing by not throwing a flag imo.
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