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Her tact wasn't great. A million different ways she could have used her platform to bring about discussion. Using blanket statements does not. She knows that. She was obviously coming from a place of frustration and emotion. That being said, her show sucks, ratings are plummeting and ESPN is in trouble.

Nuance always makes headlines.

I also don't see how calling Trump a white supremacist is a blanket statement.

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09-22-2017 , 11:15 AM

#10602

El Rata

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Originally Posted by RunninCM

If you were an employer and hired people based on political affiliation you would be ass deep in either lawsuits or awful workers.

i dont see how disqualifying nazis in the hiring process will make you ass deep in awful workers

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09-22-2017 , 11:17 AM

#10603

Zimmer4141

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WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE PUBLICLY TRADED CORPORATIONS

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09-22-2017 , 11:24 AM

#10604

DodgerIrish

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Opportunity squandered:

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Far before Hill ever tweeted, ESPN has been piñata among conservative critics for its supposed liberal bias. That’s not going to change even if Hill stays mum on politics for the rest of her life.

So if ESPN’s perception problem remains the same regardless of what she does, why not explore the upside that could come if Hill was actually encouraged to continue to be publicly political?

She could find that Trump begins obsessing over her on social media much the same way he did Megyn Kelly, whose own career got a significant boost from all the attention. Playing the part of his foil would not only help build buzz and ratings for “SportsCenter” and ESPN, but potentially make Hill a very valuable asset even well beyond the network, from a syndicated talk show to a primetime newsmagazine—and all within Disney’s orbit.

and echoing tut's point:

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When it comes to being political, ESPN is damned if it does or doesn’t. So why even bother trying to avoid the unavoidable?

http://variety.com/2017/tv/opinion/j...ty-1202563847/

lolESPN and stodgy thinking.

I've never liked Hill's sports content, this is ldo correct:

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Originally Posted by Heroball

Don't see the issue: she's way more qualified to opine on politics than sports.

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09-22-2017 , 11:29 AM

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Moneyball16

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The societal power or whatever definition of racism seems so dumb. If someone is discriminating vs someone else or hating them based on their race, they should be a racist. Under the power version, if that person is a white man living in America do they cease to be a racist if they move to Japan or Kenya, but don't change their behaviour and thoughts? Make a new word for this new definition of racism.

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09-22-2017 , 11:30 AM

#10606

DodgerIrish

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Correct.

It's also so self-defeating to changing hearts and minds.

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09-22-2017 , 11:34 AM

#10607

odb

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VIOLATED COMPANY TWITTER POLICY

won't somebody think of the cropshareholders?!

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09-22-2017 , 11:37 AM

#10608

golfnutt

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Originally Posted by Zimmer4141

WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE PUBLICLY TRADED CORPORATIONS

If you were a shareholder, you would care. The asset of ESPN is its viewers. She, ostensibly, attacked an asset. Using her asset that was generated solely because of ESPN.

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09-22-2017 , 11:46 AM

#10609

Zimmer4141

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golfnutt's America: Free speech is important, just not as important as value for Disney shareholders

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09-22-2017 , 11:51 AM

#10610

dkgojackets

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espn just needs to stop with all their dying shows and give mina kimes an hour to talk about esports

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09-22-2017 , 11:54 AM

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The core issue is and always will be ethics in video game journalism.

Lollll nh.

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09-22-2017 , 11:56 AM

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kidcolin

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do you not follow ANY famous black people on any social media? ANY TIME they bring up race there's someone in their mentions saying "but why bring it up? You're just making the problem worse by talking about it". Every. Single. TIme.

Am I talking to them? Is that what was being discussed? Like cool point but it's totally irrelevant to the (then) convo at hand and is meant only to shut one side up. Or to score points. Cool. Nice points.

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09-22-2017 , 12:01 PM

#10613

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They have every right to fire her, suspend her, whatever. But this policy only exists because ESPN doesn't want to piss off its customers. But black people and nonracists are also their customers. Companies are going to continue to face pressure to choose a side the worse things get.

"We have no comment we just want to broadcast sports." Just doesnt work anymore. Nor does "we just want to sell hamburgers. We just want to sell sneakers. We just want to sell lumber and tools." Etc

Its a perfectly legitimate tactic by the left to force corporations to be openly anti-racist.

Sorry not sorry to ESPN if Jemele Hill costs them Nascar ratings. They should absolutely be made to fear a much bigger backlash if they don't come out on the right side.

Not singling espn out. Its something that will and should keep happening all over the place.

Agreed. This is exactly why I am totally fine with no disciplinary action. I don't even particularly find it hypocritical. Schilling is the one always brought up, and he got multiple chances before getting canned.

The other one is Lindsey Cohn, but her comments weren't particularly political, but she's a major face of the company airing her opinions on problems with and mistakes made by the corporation to a 3rd party media company. It's a terrible look. But it's not totally analogous to Hill's tweet. Hill would certainly get in real trouble if she tweeted "espn is doing everything wrong and here's why."

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09-22-2017 , 12:03 PM

#10614

DodgerIrish

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The two most nonsensical controversies in the last 5 years have been gamergate and Manti Te'o.

I still remember coming in mid-conversation on ESPNradio when the Te'o thing broke and trying to figure out wtf they were talking about.

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09-22-2017 , 12:05 PM

#10615

dkgojackets

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somehow as a guy who plays a ton of video games and is always on twitch/reddit I dont know anything about gamergate other than people on this forum use the term in seemingly random comments

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09-22-2017 , 12:06 PM

#10616

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Originally Posted by kidcolin

Sage Steele complaining about the airport protests over the travel ban too.

No disciplinary action on that one, it's admittedly pretty mild but still political and inflammatory.

From her ig post:

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So THIS is why thousands of us dragged luggage nearly 2 miles to get to LAX, but still missed our flights. Fortunately, a 7 hour wait for the next flight to Houston won't affect me that much, but my heart sank for the elderly and parents with small children who did their best to walk all that way but had no chance of making their flights. I love witnessing people exercise their right to protest! But it saddened me to see the joy on their faces knowing that they were successful in disrupting so many people's travel plans. Yes, immigrants were affected by this as well. Brilliant.

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09-22-2017 , 12:16 PM

#10617

golfnutt

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Originally Posted by Zimmer4141

golfnutt's America: Free speech is important, just not as important as value for Disney shareholders

It is far more nuanced.

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09-22-2017 , 12:17 PM

#10618

Riverman

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Sell the stock if you're outraged by the lack of racism

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09-22-2017 , 12:27 PM

#10619

Perhaps Shimmy

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So are you guys cool with Jemele saying that rooting for Boston is like saying Hitler was a victim?

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09-22-2017 , 12:31 PM

#10620

SenorKeeed

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extremely cool with her saying that about rooting specifically for Boston

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09-22-2017 , 12:31 PM

#10621

Matty Lice

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It's hilarious Simmons is still shook over Eli Manning beating his Patriots 2x in the SB. Christ man, 18-1 was 10 years ago. Get over it.

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09-22-2017 , 12:32 PM

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Doug Adler anyone?

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09-22-2017 , 12:46 PM

#10623

tarheeljks

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Originally Posted by Moneyball16

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Originally Posted by DodgerIrish

Correct.

It's also so self-defeating to changing hearts and minds.

i have gone back and forth-- a lot-- on the "racism vs prejudice" definitions, but i consider it wasted energy at this point. i think the underlying idea for the designation is valid in the sense of considering scope of impact, so quibbling over semantics is largely a forest/trees scenario imo. still, i get why people argue about it-- i've found myself on either side as i said above. precise language is nice and people also want/need categories. but as far as changing hearts and minds goes, in my experience the vehement arguments over the labels have been deflections quite often

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09-22-2017 , 12:59 PM

#10624

DodgerIrish

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It's a polarizing approach to those not overly empathetic currently. It solidifies an us-vs-them mindset, imo.

These are the people who won't argue vehemently.