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05-08-2017 , 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by EddyB66
Right, but every single show on ESPN is now an opinion show. And every show is the same opinions ad nauseam. That's the point, and if they want to do that, that's perfectly fine, but at least hire some people that can banter and argue and that actually have opposite opinions. I'd pay good money to see Jemele Hill debate Limbaugh about the Kaepernick incident. If they want to go full WWE, let's go full WWE. I want color, I want kayfabe, I want a shoot.
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Originally Posted by Zimmer4141
Eddy, I think ESPN discusses issues such as race, America as a meritocracy, collective bargaining, LGBT rights, etc quite a bit. None of these are purely political issues though. Sports are a lens through which greater human issues can be given a voice and a platform. The way through which our politics decides and transforms those issues is separate from the issues themselves.

So when you see ESPN people talking about Colin Kaepernick or Lebron wearing a shirt in support of the family of Eric Garner, think of it through our shared human values. What are they using their platform to say about our society, which we're all in together, regardless of whether or not politics even existed as an institution.
Zimmer said it way better, but yeah Eddy you're an idiot. Your real issue is with ESPN not saying what you want them to say, despite all else.
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05-09-2017 , 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Heroball
So, you don't mind ESPN being politicized as long as the Fairness Doctrine is applied?

You hate Baby Jesus Reagan or something?
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05-09-2017 , 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Zimmer4141
Eddy, I think ESPN discusses issues such as race, America as a meritocracy, collective bargaining, LGBT rights, etc quite a bit. None of these are purely political issues though. Sports are a lens through which greater human issues can be given a voice and a platform. The way through which our politics decides and transforms those issues is separate from the issues themselves.

So when you see ESPN people talking about Colin Kaepernick or Lebron wearing a shirt in support of the family of Eric Garner, think of it through our shared human values. What are they using their platform to say about our society, which we're all in together, regardless of whether or not politics even existed as an institution.
I actually think covering and talking about all of these things is fine and exactly what ESPN should be doing. It's the million little pointless micro-political comments that are tilting.
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05-09-2017 , 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by ymmv
Zimmer said it way better, but yeah Eddy you're an idiot. Your real issue is with ESPN not saying what you want them to say, despite all else.
reading isn't your strong suit I get that. I am saying why does every single show on ESPN have to be the same show. SportsCenter isn't sportscenter anymore. It's just an extension to PTI, and First Take. And the politics I am referring to is how they will jump through hoops for the NFL, and show maybe 30 seconds of hockey coverage because they chose not to have the rights. ESPN went from being a legitimate news channel to just being an entertainment show.
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05-09-2017 , 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Zimmer4141
Eddy, I think ESPN discusses issues such as race, America as a meritocracy, collective bargaining, LGBT rights, etc quite a bit. None of these are purely political issues though. Sports are a lens through which greater human issues can be given a voice and a platform. The way through which our politics decides and transforms those issues is separate from the issues themselves.

So when you see ESPN people talking about Colin Kaepernick or Lebron wearing a shirt in support of the family of Eric Garner, think of it through our shared human values. What are they using their platform to say about our society, which we're all in together, regardless of whether or not politics even existed as an institution.
Agreed, but does every single show have to be the same exact subject matter?
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05-09-2017 , 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by EddyB66
reading isn't your strong suit I get that. I am saying why does every single show on ESPN have to be the same show. SportsCenter isn't sportscenter anymore. It's just an extension to PTI, and First Take. And the politics I am referring to is how they will jump through hoops for the NFL, and show maybe 30 seconds of hockey coverage because they chose not to have the rights. ESPN went from being a legitimate news channel to just being an entertainment show.
lol

poor eddy. saddest thing of all is you really believe everything you just wrote
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05-09-2017 , 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by EddyB66
And the politics I am referring to is how they will jump through hoops for the NFL, and show maybe 30 seconds of hockey coverage because they chose not to have the rights. ESPN went from being a legitimate news channel to just being an entertainment show.
Seems more like shilling than politics. And while they do censor their people from going HAM on Goodell, they report the hell out of anything to do with concussions, CTE, domestic violence, etc.

Baseball and hockey are regional sports nowadays. ESPN seems mainly focused on national stuff like NFL, CFB and NBA. I think ESPN didnt buy the rights to NHL because they arent interested in it, rather than not being interested in it because they dont have the rights.


Eddy if that's what you mean by politics I think youre not on the same page as the other complainers ITT. I think what theyre mad about is athletes being given a voice on social issues and being looked at as people rather than just entertaining us and keeping quiet.
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05-09-2017 , 07:11 AM
That Whitlock dude is a real stinker, who the **** goes on t.v spitting out hot takes in a fedora, fat guys in fedora's look even weirder.
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05-09-2017 , 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by EddyB66
I'd pay good money to see Jemele Hill debate Limbaugh about the Kaepernick incident.
That would be a one way humiliation. Might as well say you want to see her fight GGG
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05-09-2017 , 09:11 AM
Republicans and Democrats are in a never ending, low level civil war with each other. Being reminded that someone is on the other side of the war provokes a negative reaction and makes you like them less, even if they revealed their side in a harmless way. That's a cost that some can gracefully mitigate, but it should not be hard to see the appeal of a no-politics policy for ESPN's stable of idiot entertainers trying to appeal to the largest amount of people possible with their non-political programming.
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05-09-2017 , 09:27 AM
Why did ESPN ever hire Rush Limbaugh in the first place? That's one of the strangest additions to any telecast that I have seen. It's up there with sticking Dennis Miller in the MNF booth.
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05-09-2017 , 10:22 AM
Haven't listened yet but new Simmons pod is about changing sports media landscape and ESPN's future.
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05-09-2017 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Zimmer4141
Yeah I don't know. It's like the people who criticized Jimmy Kimmel for getting political with the hyper partisan stance of "little babies shouldn't die of cancer in America". Like if you're on the other side of that, the issue is with you.
babies dying of cancer are not a political issue. wtf?
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05-09-2017 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
Espn asked people to work. Ed Werder was asked to cover the Saints draft after he got fired but declined. He is still getting paid though. He said he is under contract and espn is not going to likely offer buy outs but if you get another job espn will stop paying you.

Seems extra dumb espn did things this way given how many different schedules various reporters are on. There must be some accounting reason they fired people they are going to keep paying who could still actually be working.

So it is entirely possible she got laid off but worked for espn over the weekend. But it is unlikely it was for free, however probably did not create any additional income.

It's better to let everyone know at once than a slow bleed with everyone looking over their shoulders.

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Originally Posted by Krayz
It means you guys get upset when you see black people and women on your TV that aren't competing in sports
With opinions and ****!

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Originally Posted by Noze
Still cracks me up that people think being politically correct is an insult.
Right.

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Originally Posted by kidcolin
yup. I mean, deadspin is lol, but lolll whitlock.



such an ignorant post. What makes you think you wouldn't have some spicy Ali takes if you grew up in the 40s?



yeah I don't really get this whole keep politics out of my sports take.. it's nothing new. It's been going on forever. It was over a decade ago that we had the Donovan McNabb/Black Quaterback debates raging. We had BARRY BONDS making reporters uncomfortable by dropping the race card on them. We had BILL RUSSELL in the '60s going HAM. Obv Ali was hugely political. John Amaechi came out 10 years ago. The list goes on and on.

Arguably ESPN's best non-prime-sportscenter show, PTI, has never shied away from politics. Wilbon has been talking about race and sports to a national audience for what, 15-20 years?

It's contradictory for Cotton Hill types to complain about PC-gone-mad being nothing but thinly veiled censorship (true in some settings, namely academia), while simultaneously wishing to shut-up every entertainment channel that strays a little into politics they don't agree with.
Good post


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Originally Posted by EddyB66
reading isn't your strong suit I get that. I am saying why does every single show on ESPN have to be the same show. SportsCenter isn't sportscenter anymore. It's just an extension to PTI, and First Take. And the politics I am referring to is how they will jump through hoops for the NFL, and show maybe 30 seconds of hockey coverage because they chose not to have the rights. ESPN went from being a legitimate news channel to just being an entertainment show.
The cessation of coverage for non-contract sports really hurt them imo.

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Originally Posted by BobboFitos
babies dying of cancer are not a political issue. wtf?
Is tho.


Sports and politics are and always will be linked. Sports is one of the few platforms for people of color to speak out and be broadly heard. The Kap backlash speaks volumes as to how far we need to go as a country.
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05-09-2017 , 01:12 PM
Larry Wilmore is a nice get for the ringer
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05-09-2017 , 02:23 PM
The whole "sports have always been very political!" angle is almost completely imaginary, invented by sports journalists who don't want to admit they dedicated their careers to grown men playing pointless games for the amusement of spectators. Journalists are some of the most self important people on the planet, they all think they're like super important and changing the world and ****.

Occasionally sports and politics do actually intersect in some sort of meaningful way, and for every one time that happens there's about 1,000 times it's fabricated out of thin air so that sports journalists can feel like their careers have some sort of substance and isn't just about a bunch of grown men throwing and kicking balls around.
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05-09-2017 , 02:29 PM
Can you point me to a post where you were actually right about a subject, ever? You're a bad parody of your nickname.
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05-09-2017 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Heroball
It's telling that liberals are rarely uncomfortable talking about politics in sports.
Why would they be uncomfortable? The news and entertainment industry is extremely left wing compared to the general public. Anyone espousing left wing view points is put up on a pedestal and praised by mainstream media as heroic, brave, whatever. Anyone daring to say anything leftists don't like gets nothing but overwhelming hate, even if half the country agrees with them.

For all their love of diversity left wingers strictly enforce echo chambers when it comes to beliefs people are allowed have.

I'm sure right wingers would do the same if they were the ones with the grip on the media.
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05-09-2017 , 02:39 PM
"extremely"
"half"
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05-09-2017 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ClarkNasty
It's better to let everyone know at once than a slow bleed with everyone looking over their shoulders.



With opinions and ****!



Right.



Good post




The cessation of coverage for non-contract sports really hurt them imo.



Is tho.


Sports and politics are and always will be linked. Sports is one of the few platforms for people of color to speak out and be broadly heard. The Kap backlash speaks volumes as to how far we need to go as a country.
Yeah the last part is the important bit. People of color on TV primarily come through academia, the entertainment workplace, essentially a lot of white culture mentoring that doesn't necessarily divorce them from socioeconomically low roots, if they even come from there, but it does taint their perspective.

Athletes don't have that whitewashed persona in a lot of circumstances. You can't laugh repeatedly about Antonio Cromartie not being able to name all his kids and then get ****ty when someone of a similar ilk talks openly about something that's pressing to the black community. I think it's nice to have real opinions on TV no matter where they're coming from. Distilled opinions dominate every ****ing news channel manufacturing conflict for ratings. Real recognizes real. I probably wouldn't have ever understood had I not done 10+ years in the enlisted Army and actually, you know, worked with a bunch of people of color. I just had no perspective. I empathize with the side that doesn't like it, I don't care for politics in sports much myself, but to demand its divorce is pretty ignorant in the literal sense of the word.
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05-09-2017 , 03:08 PM
Colin Kaepernick was a backup quarterback on an irrelevant team voicing ordinary political opinions. That's not really a momentous story that demands to be told. Do you remember what Randall Cobb had to say about Bernie Sanders' plan for reforming Wall Street?

Kaepernick just generated heat. The country was divided neatly in half on the issue and each side had a lot of emotion to bring to the table. ESPN gets their clicks, and everyone gets to yell about how stupid and evil the other side is on Facebook. It's hard to see the process as noble, even if you do value giving someone a platform to tell the world about their oppression.
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05-09-2017 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by BobboFitos
babies dying of cancer are not a political issue. wtf?
have you been alive for the last 8 years? like wtf man.
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05-09-2017 , 04:08 PM
how is it a political thing? doesnt everyone just agree thats something that is fundamentally awful?
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05-09-2017 , 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by BobboFitos
how is it a political thing? doesnt everyone just agree thats something that is fundamentally awful?
you must be new or something

have you ever heard of republicans?
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05-09-2017 , 04:11 PM



welcome to "political discourse" in USA#1
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