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Old 11-06-2014, 05:40 PM   #5176
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Re: Sports Media Discussion (Grantland, 538, etc)

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I love this, battle of the idiots. BS has been an idiot from day one, never understood his popularity. It seems he's having a midlife crisis or something. Then you have the bland M&M who are never the slightest confrontational with their guests - until after they hang up - then they start with "here's where I disagree with that.."

Overall, I think the fat Mike was right, slamming LeBron after 4 games is pure stupidity, but overall I wish ESPN would implode.
Simmons is not universally great. He's either aesthetically entertaining or annoying, but his Big Book of Basketball is fantastic.

And his commentary on LeBron didn't carry the heavy period he was strawman'd as carrying. Golic expressed a general ethical violation of which Golic is guilty every segment of every show.
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Old 11-06-2014, 06:06 PM   #5177
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Well, he made this crazy comparison to Pujols, still based on only 4 games.

He is just terrrible at making comparisons, making decisions, drawing conclusions, etc, etc.
You're the worst astroturfer I've ever seen.
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Old 11-06-2014, 06:07 PM   #5178
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It's not hard to find what he said, and it's not just about 4 games.

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“Anyone who thinks LeBron looks the same is fooling themselves,” Simmons said. “He doesn’t have the same impulsiveness. He looks 20 pounds lighter physically. Just his general force-of-natureness capacity — whatever you want to say — it’s not there. And he’s driving to the basket, and he’s under the rim now, and I don’t know what that means. I don’t know if he’s hurt, I don’t know if the big weight loss has affected his game or whatever. This is not a jump-to-conclusion thing. I have been watching this Cavs team since the preseason games started, and he does not look the same.”

Simmons wondered: Maybe, with the coming home narrative and all the commercials, he’s just not in a basketball frame of mind yet? Then, before starting the Pujols theory, Simmons qualified it by saying, “It’s really early to say this, so please, sports blogs and people, don’t throw this in my face.”
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Old 11-06-2014, 06:09 PM   #5179
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He compared him to an all time great baseball player? Damn, ridiculous.
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Old 11-06-2014, 06:18 PM   #5180
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Simmons statement is whatever. But Golic went past the statement and past what Simmons critics are stating here.

I think Golic accusing Simmons of being reactionary to a level which attacks his overall credibility is the academic J-school topic.

This is where Simmons' penis contest "come in my house for this debate" is actually pretty valid.

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Old 11-06-2014, 06:45 PM   #5181
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in the pujols/lebron comparison was there any wink-wink subtext about the possibility that they had both gone off PEDs? I'm guessing not, just want to confirm. Fwiw the times I've seen LeBron this year it just seems like he's playing 15% hurt or something and the sky isn't falling.
I thought this was a huge subtext. Pujols absolutely looked (and looks) like someone who went off the juice. Comparing Lebron and emphasizing weight loss and lack of explosiveness is a pretty obvious juice statement.
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Old 11-06-2014, 06:46 PM   #5182
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He compared him to an all time great baseball player? Damn, ridiculous.
No, he compared him to the shell of a great baseball player that showed up in Anaheim.
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Old 11-06-2014, 06:56 PM   #5183
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I thought this was a huge subtext. Pujols absolutely looked (and looks) like someone who went off the juice. Comparing Lebron and emphasizing weight loss and lack of explosiveness is a pretty obvious juice statement.


I didn't take it like that, at all. That would be incredibly stupid. Pujols was like Piazza, an obscure player who unexpectedly shot to greatness. Many are suspect of that. Lebron was on the cover of SI in high school. He was a man child in high school.

I think he's just pondering what's wrong like everyone else. I certainly don't think he believes Lebron was on steroids. He follows basketball too closely to be that dumb.

Interested to see what ESPN does here. It's getting close to the point of no return if they act against him again. They can just tell Mike and Mike to deal with it unlike Goodell and the NFL. That show is the nut low for mouth breathers, so knowing ESPN, they'll probably go to war for them.
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Old 11-06-2014, 07:25 PM   #5184
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I thought this was a huge subtext. Pujols absolutely looked (and looks) like someone who went off the juice. Comparing Lebron and emphasizing weight loss and lack of explosiveness is a pretty obvious juice statement.
this is definitely not what he was getting at
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Old 11-06-2014, 07:42 PM   #5185
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They can just tell Mike and Mike to deal with it unlike Goodell and the NFL. That show is the nut low for mouth breathers, so knowing ESPN, they'll probably go to war for them.
The 40+ crowd LOVES M&M. Not saying they're more valuable to the network than Simmons because I have nfc but they're very popular and I don't see them getting in any trouble for this.
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Old 11-06-2014, 07:43 PM   #5186
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When I made the post comparing Lebron to Pujols in the nba thread, 12 hours before Simmons mentioned it on air, I was definitely referring to PEDs
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Old 11-06-2014, 07:46 PM   #5187
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http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/...nt-sources-say

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Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome testified under oath Thursday in the Ray Rice appeal hearing that he heard the former Baltimore running back tell NFL commissioner Roger Goodell during his June 16 disciplinary hearing that he had hit his then-fiancée in a casino hotel elevator, two sources told "Outside the Lines."
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"Outside the Lines" quoted four sources in September who said that Rice had told Goodell he struck Janay -- a claim Goodell has denied, saying that Rice's account to him in the June 16 meeting was "ambiguous." Goodell spent more than two hours testifying Wednesday.
umm isn't this really really bad for Goodell?
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Old 11-06-2014, 07:56 PM   #5188
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When I made the post comparing Lebron to Pujols in the nba thread, 12 hours before Simmons mentioned it on air, I was definitely referring to PEDs

imo Simmons def stole your comparison.
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Old 11-06-2014, 08:01 PM   #5189
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umm isn't this really really bad for Goodell?
It should be and I hope something comes of it. Assuming this is true, and it seems to be since Ozzie isn't the only person who was there and has confirmed his story, doesn't Rice have a really good case in a defamation lawsuit?
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Old 11-06-2014, 08:03 PM   #5190
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I'm sure he did, but I'm still curious if Roger lied under oath by sticking to his "Ray's description of the event was ambiguous" line...
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Old 11-06-2014, 09:03 PM   #5191
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I'm liking Bob Ryan unleashed. On the Simmons podcast, he calls Mark Jackson (an espn employee and darling) a "fraud".
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Old 11-06-2014, 09:07 PM   #5192
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Old 11-06-2014, 09:16 PM   #5193
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I'm liking Bob Ryan unleashed. On the Simmons podcast, he calls Mark Jackson (an espn employee and darling) a "fraud".
Was going to skip this one but will check it out if Bobby is spitting some hot truth
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Old 11-06-2014, 09:50 PM   #5194
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There isn't a lot of hot fire. It's mostly Bob Ryan being Bob Ryan and talking hoops. But when Jackson came up his voice took a very vitriolic tone.
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Old 11-06-2014, 09:57 PM   #5195
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umm isn't this really really bad for Goodell?
Can you commit perjury during an arbitration hearing? Or is it just within a court setting?
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Old 11-06-2014, 10:32 PM   #5196
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Can you commit perjury during an arbitration hearing? Or is it just within a court setting?
Based on my knowledge from reading a lot of John Grisham books, I believe he would have committed perjury had he lied yesterday. He was under oath and iirc that is when it comes into play.

On a related note, the Grisham novel that just dropped is atrocious. I stopped reading after 75 or so pages.
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Old 11-06-2014, 10:40 PM   #5197
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Old 11-06-2014, 10:51 PM   #5198
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Pretty sure Grisham novels are basically ad libs for lawyera
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Old 11-06-2014, 11:38 PM   #5199
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I'd like to see a Grisham potboiler starring Charlie Kelly
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Old 11-07-2014, 06:16 AM   #5200
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Bob Ryan bs podcast A+

lol Grisham
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