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So if he had went on tangent about apples being better than bananas and then openly challenged his bosses just like he did do you think he gets a three week suspension?

I def think him attacking his bosses has a lot to do with it but to say it's the only reason just isn't true.

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10-25-2014 , 12:56 PM

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shane88888

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Originally Posted by lloyd45

You left out the part where Dole is embroiled in controversy and has a billion dollar deal with ESPN.

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10-25-2014 , 01:19 PM

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AsianNit

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My guess is that he wouldn't have been punished simply for calling Goodell a liar. His dare implied that the network is biased in its coverage of Goodell. Even if that is true, ESPN can't allow Simmons to suggest that in public. I'd guess that he was previously warned about doing that, so there is the matter of insubordination.

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10-25-2014 , 02:06 PM

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Nwildcat

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Originally Posted by lloyd45

So if he had went on tangent about apples being better than bananas and then openly challenged his bosses just like he did do you think he gets a three week suspension?

That just isn't even close to a realistic example though. In the context of Goodell and the NFL, calling out ESPN led to his suspension. If he were to again make a similarly relevant accusation in the manner he did, I think challenging his higher-ups would lead to the same result. He's then claiming to speak for the entire organization, whereas normally those opinions are generally thought to be his own.

I think with the Grantland BBall Hour looming so close, Simmons didn't want to jeopardize that opportunity by pushing any further.

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10-25-2014 , 02:08 PM

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lloyd45

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My point is the context in which he challenged his bosses matters. Too simply say he was only suspended because he challenged his bosses isn't true.

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10-25-2014 , 03:44 PM

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I see what you're saying, but it's also true that had he not made that challenge, what he could have gotten away with the Goodell comments.

So in that sense, it's only because he put out that challenge that he was suspended.

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10-25-2014 , 07:27 PM

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lloyd45

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I'm not sold on that being true. ESPN is ridiculous. And I personally believe they were issued a warning about doing something like that (because he so quickly went after his bosses) and was prolly getting suspended regardless. Maybe not to the three weeks he got.

I will acknowledge that I could easily be wrong. Just my opinion as I've had more time to think about it.

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10-25-2014 , 11:36 PM

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kioshk

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The 70 Knicks 30 for 30 is very good

I do think Simmons comes out of this looking weak. You can't ban me!, you're banned! Probably doesn't matter much in the long run.

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10-25-2014 , 11:48 PM

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lloyd45

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How did grant land show do as far as ratings are concerned? Does anybody know?

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10-27-2014 , 03:27 AM

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kioshk

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Grantland piece on Oscar Schmidt is very good.

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10-27-2014 , 06:04 AM

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Yeti

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the grantland basketball hour is on ballstreams if that's useful to anyone

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10-27-2014 , 10:06 AM

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g-bebe

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Welcome back, Simba. He went something like 3-11 on his picks not including tonight, after his gambling "revelation."

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10-27-2014 , 12:57 PM

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jawhoo

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Karma for screwing up his year total by claiming 50-0 or whatever, imo.

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10-27-2014 , 04:13 PM

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Something I was wondering for a while - is Mike L. Goodman who writes about soccer for Grantland the same MLG who used to post on 2+2 around like 2005-08?

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10-27-2014 , 05:32 PM

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nath

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Originally Posted by kidcolin

Simmons is a professional writer. And he's tapped into a bunch of gambling circles, plus football outsiders and MIT sloan conference etc etc. He obv doesn't believe he just came up with some revolutionary way to gamble. He just came up with a cute, easy to explain, fairly subjective concept to say something interesting to the lay-sports fan.

Yeah, I tend to believe/understand this, it just seems like it would have been super easy to mention Pythag or something, just to acknowledge that people have in fact in the past come up with attempts to measure team quality that isn't strict W-L.

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Karma for screwing up his year total by claiming 50-0 or whatever, imo.

Oh god, how amazing would it be if he still finished with a losing record despite crediting himself with so many Ws?

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Originally Posted by kutuz_off

Something I was wondering for a while - is Mike L. Goodman who writes about soccer for Grantland the same MLG who used to post on 2+2 around like 2005-08?

Yes.

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10-27-2014 , 06:11 PM

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BobboFitos

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Pretty cool about MLG. Never knew he was into soccer

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10-28-2014 , 12:18 AM

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kutuz_off

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He was a hell of a poster. Still remember his "there's no deserve in poker" rant. I learned a lot from his posts. Met him once at WSOP, too. Enjoy most of his soccer articles now

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10-28-2014 , 12:42 AM

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BobboFitos

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Yeah old school poster. I remember "The Running Game" post. He was a big Virginia fan if I remember

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10-28-2014 , 02:23 AM

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Enjoyed 538s special on chess. Chapter from Nate's book is probably better than the clip if you've never read it.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...-the-machines/

Yeah, really cool.

Figure 9-2 has me confused tho. How has white made 3 moves?

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10-28-2014 , 03:35 AM

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Yeah, really cool.

Figure 9-2 has me confused tho. How has white made 3 moves?

Yeah he completely screwed this up. Surprised nobody else noticed. The game went:

1. Nf3 d5
2. g3 Bg4
3. b3

So the white pawn on g2 should be on g3. Without this the narrative makes even less sense than it already did. Nate's analysis of the b3 move is pretty random. Deep Blue is not "threatening" to take the knight in any sense. The reason b3 gets immediately out of book has little to do with it being wild and crazy and everything to do with the fact that Bg2 is incredibly logical after g3 (and Kasparov in fact plays it a couple moves later).

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10-28-2014 , 04:01 AM

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Like to read that article youd think that the purpose of Bg2 was to defend the knight but it has nothing to do with that. G3 and bg2 are basically two halves of the same move, Kasparov just delayed the second part.

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10-28-2014 , 04:05 AM

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Yeti

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Those databases relied on the assumption, however, that Kasparov would respond as almost all other players had when faced with the position,23 by moving his knight back out of the way.

how to write a completely nonsense sentence that you also disprove half way through with a footnote

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10-28-2014 , 04:26 AM

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Yeah, the way Nate writes/diagrams, it sounds like it started

1 Nf3 d5
2 b3 Bg4

And then Team DeepBlue was shocked that Kasparov didn't play 3 Ng1??.

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10-28-2014 , 07:02 AM

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ChrisV

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Yeah, that bit is also totally screwed up. 538 apparently can't afford proofreaders.

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10-29-2014 , 12:22 AM

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Tbf I cringed a little when he mentioned Paris as well and I'm a total fanboy.

I remember listening to this comment and thinking there was a small chance this was code for "uhh, no, I swear pinnacle, I wasnt VPNing from the US when I made that bet, I was back in monte carlo"

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