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Old 03-05-2012, 07:37 PM   #24376
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dids in a frat seems as out of place as greear in a slam dunk contest
Wasn't a frat. Just a big house with 7 other guys. And trust me, I was out of place. It was like my year living with the cool kids.
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Old 03-05-2012, 07:47 PM   #24377
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i just find it amazing that some here find it ******ed that a broke college student might not want to shell out $2-300 to pay for dozens of random people's booze. .
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Yeah, and there's this issue as well: Collateral damage. I lived in the ATO house, and the frat was full of drug-addled nutsos. Since cocaine was cracked down on hard when I was growing up (late 90's early 00's), the drugs of choice of the poor NE Ohioans were pharmaceutical grade amphetamines and a ridiculous amount of alcohol. Unsurprisingly there were tons of fights and destroyed **** on our campus, so charging people $5 helps to cover the destruction that inevitably follows.
maybe u of mighican students are just so morally superior to everyone else in the country they are willing to expend tons of effort and dollars for no compensation. but ya, all of this plus the inherent risk of getting caught and facing massive fines, are the explicit and implicit costs of throwing big parties. I think people who dont think that people should be charged underestimate these costs, and underestimate how big of a service that is provided by throwing a party. like i mentioned before, as someone who attended other parties, i was happy paying 5 dollars. Thinking about it, id have probably even paid ten, and conversely we could have charged ten and made more money.

w/r/t frats, at least around here, they didnt charge people to attend. At the same time, it wasnt open to everyone. There was a restrictive list, and you had to be good friends of people in the frats in order to get in (or be a hot girl). Luckly, i was cool with a lot of people in frats, and was able to get into almost every party, but its still relevant. Not to discredit them for not charging, but in my mind its a lot different. As people have mentioned, most get togethers where only friends are attending results in people not getting charged, which is what happens with frats around here. Also, every frat threw parties (where everyone from any other frat was invited), so each individual frat splits the cost (or incurs a cost less often) with other frats to party every weekend. basically, frat parties and house parties are a lot different and it makes a lot of sense why people in frats wouldnt charge, but people throwing house parties would.
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Old 03-05-2012, 07:48 PM   #24378
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Dids, those cops sound like the polar opposites of the ones I dealt with on a regular basis as an undergrad

But then again, I'm not sure how long ago you were an undergrad, since things have probably drastically changed in the last few decades
I finished school in 98- sheesh.

These were UW cops (real cops, but specific to campus) who had been breaking up parties I've been going to for as long as I was in school. They were always pretty cool- mostly they just wanted you to keep the noise down and not piss off the neighbors. I suspect it may have been much different with SPD.

Other amusing party story. Day before one of them, my friend has the deck stolen out his car. Day after, it's back in our mailbox with a note that said "sorry dude". I guess the crew that had been breaking into cars in the neighborhood got invited to the party and realized who they'd stolen from and felt bad.
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Old 03-05-2012, 07:51 PM   #24379
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maybe u of mighican students are just so morally superior to everyone else in the country they are willing to expend tons of effort and dollars for no compensation. but ya, all of this plus the inherent risk of getting caught and facing massive fines, are the explicit and implicit costs of throwing big parties. I think people who dont think that people should be charged underestimate these costs, and underestimate how big of a service that is provided by throwing a party. like i mentioned before, as someone who attended other parties, i was happy paying 5 dollars. Thinking about it, id have probably even paid ten, and conversely we could have charged ten and made more money.

w/r/t frats, at least around here, they didnt charge people to attend. At the same time, it wasnt open to everyone. There was a restrictive list, and you had to be good friends of people in the frats in order to get in (or be a hot girl). Luckly, i was cool with a lot of people in frats, and was able to get into almost every party, but its still relevant. Not to discredit them for not charging, but in my mind its a lot different. As people have mentioned, most get togethers where only friends are attending results in people not getting charged, which is what happens with frats around here. Also, every frat threw parties (where everyone from any other frat was invited), so each individual frat splits the cost (or incurs a cost less often) with other frats to party every weekend. basically, frat parties and house parties are a lot different and it makes a lot of sense why people in frats wouldnt charge, but people throwing house parties would.
Who did you quote that went to michigan?
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Old 03-05-2012, 07:53 PM   #24380
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i just find it amazing that some here find it ******ed that a broke college student might not want to shell out $2-300 to pay for dozens of random people's booze.
if u can't afford to throw a house party u shouldn't be throwing a house party

roommates and i have asked friends to bring booze or help throw down on kegs, but charging ppl who just randomly come is a thought too absurd to have ever crossed my mind
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Old 03-05-2012, 07:55 PM   #24381
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Michigan house parties never charged for cups but I know Michigan State and most schools in the Midwest do

AcTiOnJaCsOn claims that his house makes thousands of dollars at every party they throw, so they definitely do at Minnesota as well
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lol charging for parties, i honestly had no idea this occurred anywhere until 5 mins ago
dye, i was referring to these two posts. Riverman went to michigan right?
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Old 03-05-2012, 07:57 PM   #24382
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maybe u of mighican students are just so morally superior to everyone else in the country they are willing to expend tons of effort and dollars for no compensation.
no... it's more like applying this concept:

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Also, every frat threw parties (where everyone from any other frat was invited), so each individual frat splits the cost (or incurs a cost less often) with other frats to party every weekend.
to house parties that allow everyone to attend... that's just a common sense solution

At Michigan, a given house will throw a party 1-2 times a semester. If you're going to enough parties on nights you're not throwing one, you're going to pretty much break even.
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Old 03-05-2012, 07:57 PM   #24383
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if u can't afford to throw a house party u shouldn't be throwing a house party
lol were talking about college students here. If all parties consisted of the people who could afford to incur the massive costs, then there would almost be no parties.
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Old 03-05-2012, 08:01 PM   #24384
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no... it's more like applying this concept:



to house parties that allow everyone to attend... that's just a common sense solution

At Michigan, a given house will throw a party 1-2 times a semester. If you're going to enough parties on nights you're not throwing one, you're going to pretty much break even.
i dont get this. How is this organized? is there a meeting of houses where its determined whos throwing parties and when? or is it some kind of unwritten rule? id imagine if nobody is being charged that there is a lot of social loafing going on.
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Old 03-05-2012, 08:18 PM   #24385
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no... it's more like applying this concept:



to house parties that allow everyone to attend... that's just a common sense solution

At Michigan, a given house will throw a party 1-2 times a semester. If you're going to enough parties on nights you're not throwing one, you're going to pretty much break even.
i dont get this. How is this organized? is there a meeting of houses where its determined whos throwing parties and when? or is it some kind of unwritten rule? id imagine if nobody is being charged that there is a lot of social loafing going on.
Unwritten rule plus its a big campus so there are hardly any dead nights.
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Old 03-05-2012, 08:29 PM   #24386
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if u can't afford to throw a house party u shouldn't be throwing a house party

roommates and i have asked friends to bring booze or help throw down on kegs, but charging ppl who just randomly come is a thought too absurd to have ever crossed my mind
Exactly what kind of party are you talking about? If you're throwing a small or moderate sized gathering among friends then sure. We threw a small halloween party with maybe 20-25 people, and me, gf, and 4 friends paid for it. No big deal, it was like $25 for each of us and it was a one-time deal.

I'm talking a ****ing house party man, where you have 100+ people showing up from god knows where to get trashed and you go through multiple kegs and things of jungle juice. And the places that held these parties would hold them nearly every weekend, sometimes both Friday and Saturday.
At a house party where say 100+ people show up by word of mouth, the owners of the house would be lucky to know what, 20 people? I went to a public university, not a mommy-daddy trust fund school. People are broke and aren't gonna buy 6 kegs just so 100 people can have a good time on principle. So yeah, you pay the people at the house $5 for a cup and drink for real cheap. The party gets paid for that way. Just how it works.

And if, as a college student, you can afford to drop a couple hundred bucks just cuz you feel like partying, then congrats. You're either awesome at poker, have rich parents, or have some of the worst money management skills ever.
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Old 03-05-2012, 08:32 PM   #24387
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Exactly what kind of party are you talking about? If you're throwing a small or moderate sized gathering among friends then sure. We threw a small halloween party with maybe 20-25 people, and me, gf, and 4 friends paid for it. No big deal, it was like $25 for each of us and it was a one-time deal.

I'm talking a ****ing house party man, where you have 100+ people showing up from god knows where to get trashed and you go through multiple kegs and things of jungle juice. And the places that held these parties would hold them nearly every weekend, sometimes both Friday and Saturday.
At a house party where say 100+ people show up by word of mouth, the owners of the house would be lucky to know what, 20 people? I went to a public university, not a mommy-daddy trust fund school. People are broke and aren't gonna buy 6 kegs just so 100 people can have a good time on principle. So yeah, you pay the people at the house $5 for a cup and drink for real cheap. The party gets paid for that way. Just how it works.

Schu knows what's up imo.

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And if, as a college student, you can afford to drop a couple hundred bucks just cuz you feel like partying, then congrats. You're either awesome at poker, have rich parents, or have some of the worst money management skills ever.
The first two and the last on that list aren't really exclusive.
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Old 03-05-2012, 08:35 PM   #24388
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Blink-182 even wrote about paying at a party

"I paid my 3 and the girls got in free"
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Old 03-05-2012, 08:45 PM   #24389
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Unwritten rule plus its a big campus so there are hardly any dead nights.
the fact that its a big campus increases the social loafing that goes on there. If nobody charged, then I'm guessing there are a ton of people who just don't throw parties, but go to them all the time. And why wouldn't they when there are hardly any dead nights, and when there is no incentive to throw parties? The costs for partying in this system are highly unequally distributed.

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Old 03-05-2012, 08:53 PM   #24390
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No one use the phrase fr.ee rid.er lest we be overrun by politards
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Old 03-05-2012, 09:21 PM   #24391
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next were going to be talking about moral hazard
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Old 03-05-2012, 09:30 PM   #24392
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I love the arguments about the liability of throwing a huge free party as a reason for charging to serve alcohol unlicensed.
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Old 03-05-2012, 09:34 PM   #24393
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Old 03-05-2012, 09:41 PM   #24394
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The fake outrage over a $5 fee for unlimited beer is lol.
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Old 03-05-2012, 10:16 PM   #24395
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I love the arguments about the liability of throwing a huge free party as a reason for charging to serve alcohol unlicensed.
yeah this, seems like you are just asking for things to go from bad to worse if something goes wrong especially for a fraternity.
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Old 03-05-2012, 10:24 PM   #24396
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in a frat, sure, but in a house party, the chance of the cops giving a ****, or even finding out, about you charging five dollars for a SOLO cup seems rather insignificant, especially if you are cooperative

just don't be a dumbass when it comes to the cops, it really is not hard


but i guess a lot of this depends on your ability to avoid idiots coming to your house party.
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Old 03-05-2012, 10:24 PM   #24397
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You know how I know you're white?
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Old 03-05-2012, 10:25 PM   #24398
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just don't be a dumbass when it comes to the cops, it really is not hard
judging from every thread i read on this site, it is
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Old 03-05-2012, 10:31 PM   #24400
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$5 for a red solo cup is pretty std (if you're a dude)
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