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02-20-2012 , 01:12 PM

#23201

sethypooh21

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IVE SPOTTED THE KEY DIFFERENCE

I don't think you have.

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02-20-2012 , 01:14 PM

#23202

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sure i have

in that situation the girl was raped, meaning forced to have sex against her will.

i concluded this based on the line

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somebody she was doing drugs with raped her

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02-20-2012 , 01:14 PM

#23203

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Originally Posted by sethypooh21

You've already agreed to the premise of the law, so what do her previous actions have to do with it? We're worried about protecting children from making decisions they lack maturity to make well, but somehow an earlier bad decision on their part makes us not care?

And how does prosecuting people who reasonably believe that the person is above age protect children? You can't disincentivize someone from committing a crime they had no reason to believe they were committing.

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02-20-2012 , 01:17 PM

#23204

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Yeah, you'd have no clues that she might be underage. Somehow "I thought she had to be at least 18" doesn't strike me as a particularly compelling defense.

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02-20-2012 , 01:17 PM

#23205

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Originally Posted by Dudd

By requiring people to exercise even more than reasonable care.

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02-20-2012 , 01:20 PM

#23206

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Originally Posted by Mikita0

By requiring people to exercise even more than reasonable care.

what in your opinion is reasonable care?

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02-20-2012 , 01:23 PM

#23207

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Originally Posted by sethypooh21

Yeah, you'd have no clues that she might be underage. Somehow "I thought she had to be at least 18" doesn't strike me as a particularly compelling defense.

You are on record as stating that you have no problem with current laws even if you met in a venue for people older than 21 and you were provided with state issued ID that showed she was older than 21. This isn't and shouldn't be a compelling defense in your opinion? (keep in mind that apparently in several states, this would be a defense)

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02-20-2012 , 01:28 PM

#23208

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Originally Posted by sethypooh21

Yeah, you'd have no clues that she might be underage. Somehow "I thought she had to be at least 18" doesn't strike me as a particularly compelling defense.

I dunno, if an underage girl gets a fake ID, lies about her age, goes to a 21+ bar, and then has sex with some guy there, I think the guy has a pretty good defense.

The girls behavior there is way more reprehensible to me than the guys.

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02-20-2012 , 01:29 PM

#23209

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Originally Posted by dkgojackets

what in your opinion is reasonable care?

My subjective opinion of what is reasonable is not relevant. But since you asked:

I think her being in a bar requiring ID is probably reasonable. If she used a fake ID she assumes the risk imo.

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02-20-2012 , 01:31 PM

#23210

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By requiring people to exercise even more than reasonable care.

Yet if I negligently kill her but do so in a manner in which a reasonable person would also have made the same mistake, I haven't committed a crime. You see where some people might find an issue with all of this?

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02-20-2012 , 01:32 PM

#23211

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Originally Posted by Mikita0

I think her being in a bar requiring ID is probably reasonable.

I dont see how people can disagree with this

The law is to protect against guys who prey on young girls. Guys who go to 21+ bars to pick up women are not out to prey on young girls.

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02-20-2012 , 01:33 PM

#23212

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Anyways, where's Karak? We could kill Franchise with this discussion

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02-20-2012 , 01:33 PM

#23213

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I dont see how people can disagree with this

The law is to protect against guys who prey on young girls. Guys who go to 21+ bars to pick up women are not out to prey on young girls.

Because fake IDs are an impossibility.

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02-20-2012 , 01:34 PM

#23214

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Originally Posted by Dudd

The difference is that in that example you have less control over your actions than in the example we're discussing.

I assume you're talking about a situation where you think someone is pulling a gun on you and your belief is objectively reasonable.

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02-20-2012 , 01:35 PM

#23215

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Because fake IDs are an impossibility.

you still seem stuck on the idea that guys who go to adult bars secretly wish they were banging 10 year olds in the back of their candy truck

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02-20-2012 , 01:35 PM

#23216

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Because fake IDs are an impossibility.

We need dental records!

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02-20-2012 , 01:37 PM

#23217

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Or when in doubt, you know, don't.

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02-20-2012 , 01:37 PM

#23218

jmill

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Anyways, where's Karak? We could kill Franchise with this discussion

Ship the last 200 posts to French BBV

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02-20-2012 , 01:38 PM

#23219

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this discussion is such AIDS

take it to politics

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02-20-2012 , 01:39 PM

#23220

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Or when in doubt, you know, don't.

And this is our point. When someone reasonably doubts that their one night stand might be underaged, sure, string em up. When someone reasonably isn't in doubt, maybe that should be a defense!

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02-20-2012 , 01:41 PM

#23221

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You shouldn't have sex with chicks that have been drinking because they cant legally consent if theyre drunk. age has nothing to do with it. guys who go to bars to pick up girls that could be too drunk to consent (which is, legally, a subjective level of intoxication) are disgusting and deserve to go to jail for it.