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Old 02-20-2012, 01:12 PM   #23201
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I don't think you have.
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Old 02-20-2012, 01:14 PM   #23202
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sure i have

in that situation the girl was raped, meaning forced to have sex against her will.

i concluded this based on the line

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somebody she was doing drugs with raped her
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Old 02-20-2012, 01:14 PM   #23203
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You've already agreed to the premise of the law, so what do her previous actions have to do with it? We're worried about protecting children from making decisions they lack maturity to make well, but somehow an earlier bad decision on their part makes us not care?
And how does prosecuting people who reasonably believe that the person is above age protect children? You can't disincentivize someone from committing a crime they had no reason to believe they were committing.
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Old 02-20-2012, 01:17 PM   #23204
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And how does prosecuting people who reasonably believe that the person is above age protect children? You can't disincentivize someone from committing a crime they had no reason to believe they were committing.
Yeah, you'd have no clues that she might be underage. Somehow "I thought she had to be at least 18" doesn't strike me as a particularly compelling defense.
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Old 02-20-2012, 01:17 PM   #23205
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And how does prosecuting people who reasonably believe that the person is above age protect children? You can't disincentivize someone from committing a crime they had no reason to believe they were committing.
By requiring people to exercise even more than reasonable care.
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Old 02-20-2012, 01:20 PM   #23206
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By requiring people to exercise even more than reasonable care.
what in your opinion is reasonable care?
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Old 02-20-2012, 01:23 PM   #23207
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Yeah, you'd have no clues that she might be underage. Somehow "I thought she had to be at least 18" doesn't strike me as a particularly compelling defense.
You are on record as stating that you have no problem with current laws even if you met in a venue for people older than 21 and you were provided with state issued ID that showed she was older than 21. This isn't and shouldn't be a compelling defense in your opinion? (keep in mind that apparently in several states, this would be a defense)
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Old 02-20-2012, 01:28 PM   #23208
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Yeah, you'd have no clues that she might be underage. Somehow "I thought she had to be at least 18" doesn't strike me as a particularly compelling defense.
I dunno, if an underage girl gets a fake ID, lies about her age, goes to a 21+ bar, and then has sex with some guy there, I think the guy has a pretty good defense.

The girls behavior there is way more reprehensible to me than the guys.
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Old 02-20-2012, 01:29 PM   #23209
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what in your opinion is reasonable care?
My subjective opinion of what is reasonable is not relevant. But since you asked:

I think her being in a bar requiring ID is probably reasonable. If she used a fake ID she assumes the risk imo.
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Old 02-20-2012, 01:31 PM   #23210
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By requiring people to exercise even more than reasonable care.
Yet if I negligently kill her but do so in a manner in which a reasonable person would also have made the same mistake, I haven't committed a crime. You see where some people might find an issue with all of this?
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Old 02-20-2012, 01:32 PM   #23211
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I think her being in a bar requiring ID is probably reasonable.
I dont see how people can disagree with this

The law is to protect against guys who prey on young girls. Guys who go to 21+ bars to pick up women are not out to prey on young girls.
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Old 02-20-2012, 01:33 PM   #23212
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Anyways, where's Karak? We could kill Franchise with this discussion
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Old 02-20-2012, 01:33 PM   #23213
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I dont see how people can disagree with this

The law is to protect against guys who prey on young girls. Guys who go to 21+ bars to pick up women are not out to prey on young girls.
Because fake IDs are an impossibility.
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Old 02-20-2012, 01:34 PM   #23214
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Yet if I negligently kill her but do so in a manner in which a reasonable person would also have made the same mistake, I haven't committed a crime. You see where some people might find an issue with all of this?
The difference is that in that example you have less control over your actions than in the example we're discussing.

I assume you're talking about a situation where you think someone is pulling a gun on you and your belief is objectively reasonable.
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Old 02-20-2012, 01:35 PM   #23215
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Because fake IDs are an impossibility.
you still seem stuck on the idea that guys who go to adult bars secretly wish they were banging 10 year olds in the back of their candy truck
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Old 02-20-2012, 01:35 PM   #23216
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Because fake IDs are an impossibility.
We need dental records!
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Old 02-20-2012, 01:37 PM   #23217
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Or when in doubt, you know, don't.
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Old 02-20-2012, 01:37 PM   #23218
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Anyways, where's Karak? We could kill Franchise with this discussion
Ship the last 200 posts to French BBV
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Old 02-20-2012, 01:38 PM   #23219
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this discussion is such AIDS

take it to politics
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Old 02-20-2012, 01:39 PM   #23220
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Or when in doubt, you know, don't.
And this is our point. When someone reasonably doubts that their one night stand might be underaged, sure, string em up. When someone reasonably isn't in doubt, maybe that should be a defense!
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Old 02-20-2012, 01:41 PM   #23221
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You shouldn't have sex with chicks that have been drinking because they cant legally consent if theyre drunk. age has nothing to do with it. guys who go to bars to pick up girls that could be too drunk to consent (which is, legally, a subjective level of intoxication) are disgusting and deserve to go to jail for it.
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Old 02-20-2012, 01:42 PM   #23222
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But if I've been drinking, maybe she's raping me. #deepthoughts

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Old 02-20-2012, 01:48 PM   #23223
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edit- nmind

**** it, discussion isn't going anywhere
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Old 02-20-2012, 01:59 PM   #23224
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Why does this discussion have to happen in a thread I follow? There's a reason I don't open the Penn State thread.
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Old 02-20-2012, 02:05 PM   #23225
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