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Old 02-19-2012, 02:13 PM   #23126
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strict liability crimes can often be stupid for the obvious reasons, but if you guys are still arguing the HIV thing (no idea if you have moved to a diff topic as i grunched a bit), that's obv a huge strawman here and not really applicable to that situation
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Old 02-19-2012, 02:15 PM   #23127
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strict liability crimes can often be stupid for the obvious reasons, but if you guys are still arguing the HIV thing (no idea if you have moved to a diff topic as i grunched a bit), that's obv a huge strawman here and not really applicable to that situation
nah, lol_HIV. i'm talking about clark's bar whore example
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Old 02-19-2012, 02:15 PM   #23128
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Clark, using the term "sexing a child" in every post is pretty dumb.
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Old 02-19-2012, 02:17 PM   #23129
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Clark, using the term "sexing a child" in every post is pretty dumb.
I don't know the last time you hung out with 16 and 17 year olds (let alone lol 13), but that's exactly what they are.
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Old 02-19-2012, 02:19 PM   #23130
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ITT people argue that guys should have no personal responsibility for breaking the law and having sex with children.
I'm curious what you think of the Genarlow Wilson case. Do you think his punishment was fair?

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I'm sure at least a few of you are already aware of the Genarlow Wilson case. Genarlow Wilson was a 17 year old boy convicted of "child molestation" for having consensual oral sex with a 15 year old girl. The 15 year old girl testified that the sex was consensual, but because she was not old enough to consent, under the statutory rape laws, Genarlow Wilson was convicted.

Under Georgia's Mandatory Minimum Laws, the conviction carried a mandatory sentence of 10 years without parole. After serving two and a half of those years, finally the supreme court stepped in and released Wilson from prison, but did not overturn his conviction. He is still considered a sex offender, convicted of a felony. Wilson can not vote, he cannot own a gun, he will forever be on the sex registry, and worst of all, he cannot live or work anywhere within 1,000 feet of anywhere children may congregate, such as a school, a park, a library, or a swimming pool.

And anyone looking at a list of local sex offenders would see his name, his picture and the charge of "child molestation" next to it with no other details given about what his crime actually was.
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Old 02-19-2012, 02:20 PM   #23131
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17 years, 364 days, 23 hours old = child

1 hour later = woman?
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Old 02-19-2012, 02:21 PM   #23132
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Depends which state!
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Old 02-19-2012, 02:21 PM   #23133
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Old 02-19-2012, 02:22 PM   #23134
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Wilson case obviously absurd. BUT SHE'S A CHILD SO WHAT A SCUMBAG - SHOULD STILL BE IN JAIL
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Old 02-19-2012, 02:26 PM   #23135
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i was familiar with the wilson case already, but had never seen this before:

Because the participants shown having sex in the video were under 18, the videotape constitutes child pornography under federal law. The Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act prohibits prosecutors from allowing defendants in criminal proceedings to possess a copy of any evidence that constitutes child pornography, even if the purpose is to mount a defense against the charge. Under this law, Wilson and his defense team are prohibited from having a copy of the videotape that prosecutor McDade has distributed to anyone else who has requested it.[18]
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Old 02-19-2012, 02:37 PM   #23136
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Wilson case obviously absurd. BUT SHE'S A CHILD SO WHAT A SCUMBAG - SHOULD STILL BE IN JAIL
Except that case has zero to do with what we're talking about.
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Old 02-19-2012, 02:40 PM   #23137
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say u have sex with an underage girl at a frat party. yea, that's on you

if u have sex with an underaged girl you met at a bar who got in with a fake id, well, how do u defend against that? you keep ignoring that possibility and keep up with your hardline moralist stand
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Old 02-19-2012, 02:43 PM   #23138
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Old 02-19-2012, 02:45 PM   #23139
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See, here's how this works: the bar owner is in trouble for letting an underage person drink. You are in trouble for sexing a child.

More than a little disturbing at trying to find excuses why you don't need to take responsibility for your own despicable actions. And let's be honest, none of you are acting like even asking for ID is reasonable, which is just LOLOLLLLLLLL.
I definitely agree the onus is on the adult; I just want to see how this conversation plays out.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't see how this is not a very awkward and funny conversation. Where do you meet them? How do you bring this up? and what kind of reaction do you get?

edit: FTR: I'm happily married and have never experienced such situations (with potential minors when I was not one myself)
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Old 02-19-2012, 02:46 PM   #23140
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Old 02-19-2012, 02:52 PM   #23141
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Except that case has zero to do with what we're talking about.
Well he did break the law and have sex with a child, right?

But really, obviously I wasn't trying to say that scenario is the exact same as what you guys are talking about, I just want to know at what point you do actually think the law is flawed, or if you think it is at all.
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Old 02-19-2012, 02:55 PM   #23142
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say u have sex with an underage girl at a frat party. yea, that's on you

if u have sex with an underaged girl you met at a bar who got in with a fake id, well, how do u defend against that? you keep ignoring that possibility and keep up with your hardline moralist stand
while, again, i dont agree with strict liability crimes in all situations, do you see why having an exemption for people presented with a fake at a bar from statutory rape claims is a a really big issue and not as clear cut as you make it?
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Old 02-19-2012, 02:57 PM   #23143
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Idk how the courts handle it, but its absurd a guy is held accountable for banging an underage girl he met in a bar. Clark saying you need to ask for id in that situation is crazy imo.
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Old 02-19-2012, 02:59 PM   #23144
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while, again, i dont agree with strict liability crimes in all situations, do you see why having an exemption for people presented with a fake at a bar from statutory rape claims is a a really big issue and not as clear cut as you make it?
i don't really have a horse in the fight, but clark keeps talking about how he'd ask for id and there have been situations where he has and all that, and that's all well and good, but asking for id at a bar is utterly ****ing stupid since you're not gonna weed out anyone the door didn't already. that's all
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Old 02-19-2012, 03:03 PM   #23145
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The crazy part is let's say you check her ID, and she shows you a passable fake or a look a like friends ID. Clark's genius plan DOESN'T MATTER and you're still going to prison for multiple years.

Again, statutory rape laws are designed to protect adolescents from being taken advantage of by older men, not teenagers trolling for ass to get their dad mad.
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Old 02-19-2012, 03:06 PM   #23146
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More than a little disturbing at trying to find excuses why you don't need to take responsibility for your own despicable actions. And let's be honest, none of you are acting like even asking for ID is reasonable, which is just LOLOLLLLLLLL.
Not only do I absolutely think asking for ID in the manner that you probably do is unreasonable, but if you ever did that in any of my social circles people would think you are insanely weird and have terrible social skills.

I've seen some girl's IDs before after meeting them at a bar, but it's always a fun thing like "you live in place x? wow no way! let me see your driver's license." I'm sure I've also said, "you're really age x? no way! let me see your driver's license." But it's always a playful thing with no ulterior motive. The girl in question would never think I'm "making sure she's legal," probably because I'm not, and if for some reason she didn't want to show me her ID in one of those situations I wouldn't even think twice about it.

Here's a better rule that me and my friends use. If you even have a doubt that the girl you're talking to may not be legal, WALK AWAY. If she's acting in a manner that makes you think she's younger than 18 or looks like she could be 16, then you shouldn't be talking to her anyway.

Potentially embarrassing a girl who turns out to be legal after you ask for ID (or even an underage girl for that matter) and then in the process making yourself look like a jerkoff is ridiculous.

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Old 02-19-2012, 03:08 PM   #23147
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Not only do I absolutely think asking for ID in the manner that you probably do is unreasonable, but if you ever did that in any of my social circles people would think you are insanely weird and have terrible social skills.

I've seen some girl's IDs before after meeting them at a bar, but it's always a fun thing like "you like in place x? wow no way! let me see your driver's license." I'm sure I've also said, "you're really age x? no way! let me see your driver's license." But it's always a fun playful thing with no ulterior motive. The girl in question would never think I'm "making sure she's legal," probably because I'm not, and if for some reason she didn't want to show me her ID in one of those situations I wouldn't even think twice about it.

Here's a better rule that me and my friends use. If you even have a doubt that the girl you're talking to may not be legal, WALK AWAY. If she's acting in a manner that makes you think she's younger than 18 or looks like she could be 16, then you shouldn't be talking to her anyway.

Potentially embarrassing a girl who turns out to be legal after you ask for ID (or even an underage girl for that matter) and then in the process making yourself look like a jerkoff is ridiculous.
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Old 02-19-2012, 03:09 PM   #23148
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ya cant believe i'd ever post this, but i agree with agame

altho i cant really fault people who do check an ID, but honestly if you are at a point where you need to check a girl's ID and you are 23+, you're prob doing it wrong
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Old 02-19-2012, 03:09 PM   #23149
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Here's a better rule that me and my friends use. If you even have a doubt that the girl you're talking to may not be legal, WALK AWAY. If she's acting in a manner that makes you think she's younger than 18 or looks like she could be 16, then you shouldn't be talking to her anyway.
But then you miss out on all that 17+ year old tail.
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Old 02-19-2012, 03:16 PM   #23150
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But then you miss out on all that 17+ year old tail.
Well if you're in your mid 20s or older, then good.

If you're at an age where dating a 17 year old is acceptable, then you probably didn't meet her in a bar anyway.

Btw, 17 is only the legal age of consent in some states.

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