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Old 02-17-2012, 03:38 AM   #22976
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Kim Kardashian at 14:


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Old 02-17-2012, 03:41 AM   #22977
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but she was 13, and he was 23?

and the "reasonably" part might trip him up in court...
The 'reasonably' part is completely irrelevant in court. That girl could look like ****ing kate upton and hiv would have absolutely no defense. Don't you think that's ****ed up? That's basically my whole point.

Statutory rape laws are designed to protect young girls from being preyed on by older men. They aren't designed to protect young girls from trolling for ass on craiglist. HIV is a probably a huge scumbag, and hell, I could even buy that he should be punished in some way. But that doesn't mean the laws are sane in any way.

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Old 02-17-2012, 03:43 AM   #22978
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**** this as a 21 year old in illinois and you're facing three to seven years in prison, even if you met her at a 21 and up bar.

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Old 02-17-2012, 03:45 AM   #22979
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I'm trying to figure out how Ikes squares this latest with his recent crusade against MT2R.
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Old 02-17-2012, 03:47 AM   #22980
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He's only into certain kinds of rape.
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Old 02-17-2012, 03:50 AM   #22981
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I'm trying to figure out how Ikes squares this latest with his recent crusade against MT2R.
Wow, you really going to bring that up again? But yeah, mt2r is the biggest moralizer in this forum. Bo schembechler, terrible person because he was mean to his players sometimes, so he's like hitler. Bo schembechler, didn't want jucos in the big ten, so he's like the kkk. He does this everywhere over the stupidest **** imaginable. This is just so self serving:

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I try to be an ethics warrior. However, it's for the ethics I find important, which does not fall in-line 100% with the law. I spend a rather large amount of my time fighting for fairness and what I believe is good. I've always been what most would describe as over-sensitive to issues of fairness and integrity.
It'd be ****ing dumb as hell to narc on a drug dealer when they'd figure out pretty quickly it was you. I just can't take the bull **** he spouts about him fighting too hard for strict morals when really it's just mt2r finding the slightest faults in someone he doesn't like life.

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Old 02-17-2012, 03:50 AM   #22982
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What happens when a man has sex with an underage girl:






What happens when a woman has sex with an underage boy:

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Old 02-17-2012, 03:52 AM   #22983
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Wow, you really going to bring that up again? But yeah, mt2r is the biggest moralizer in this forum. Bo schembechler, terrible person because he was mean to his players sometimes, so he's like hitler. Bo schembechler, didn't want jucos in the big ten, so he's like the kkk.

It'd be ****ing dumb as hell to narc on a drug dealer when they'd figure out pretty quickly it was you. I just can't take the bull **** he spouts about him fighting too hard for strict morals when really it's just mt2r finding the slightest faults in someone he doesn't like life.
So



then?
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Old 02-17-2012, 03:53 AM   #22984
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I have no idea what that means.
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Old 02-17-2012, 03:57 AM   #22985
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"Hey, he's totally underage. She's taking advantage of him!"

"You're right, we're sorry. This is serious. We need to track this student down and give him his luckiest boy in America medal." (followed by hysterical laughter)

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Old 02-17-2012, 04:06 AM   #22986
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lol ike
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Old 02-17-2012, 07:16 AM   #22987
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Wow, the craigslist ad should be pretty verifiable. IAMHIV is probably still a scumbag, but it's hard for me to buy that he should be criminally culpable if she's telling people she's 19. That's not the type of situation that law is supposed to cover.
Agree with this completely..
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Old 02-17-2012, 11:35 AM   #22988
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ikes, jetto and bobbo on one side, the rest of the forum on the other

hmmmmmmm
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Old 02-17-2012, 12:22 PM   #22989
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yeah, guess he's not a gonna be a Pediatrician?
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Old 02-17-2012, 12:53 PM   #22990
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Wow, you really going to bring that up again? But yeah, mt2r is the biggest moralizer in this forum. Bo schembechler, terrible person because he was mean to his players sometimes, so he's like hitler. Bo schembechler, didn't want jucos in the big ten, so he's like the kkk. He does this everywhere over the stupidest **** imaginable. This is just so self serving:



It'd be ****ing dumb as hell to narc on a drug dealer when they'd figure out pretty quickly it was you. I just can't take the bull **** he spouts about him fighting too hard for strict morals when really it's just mt2r finding the slightest faults in someone he doesn't like life.
I clearly don't like or value the same things as you, but I struggle to understand how this means I don't like life.


The statutory rape laws are a tough spot.
1) you have to protect from creepy old men and evangelical types populating the world in the old way
2) we want to respect voluntary choices
3) we know teenagers are dumb - they don't have the experience adults do and the brain area in charge of long-term decision making is still developing. It's the last part to develop.

So, what do we do when we want to respect voluntary choices but we know the ones being made are dumb?

If you're Bo, you drill sargent them into what you've deluded yourself into thinking is The Right way and never give young people the tools to think through things critically and develop the long-term weighing of options. You turn them into rote playbooks

Really, situations like this call for flexible punishments from the community. Some cases are worse than others and those enforcing blanket black/white laws really need to take a step back. When the 18yr old football player in Georgia spent years in prison due to a 16yr old giving him a BJ, that was whack. 23 doing a 13 year old stretches the mind. jmill provided visual evidence showing it can happen. We'd also need some verbal/thought evidence IMO to say this was accidental. Most 13 yr olds sound dumb as ****. I spend a lot of time in Barnes & Noble cafes (with my wife, not trawling for young girls you jerks) reading and whatnot as I like to sound smart whether I am or not. Often, on weekends, it's a teen-agers hangout. They're dumb. Think of how dumb adults are. Now, think of adults without experience and very concerned about how they appear and fit into peer groups. Yeeesh.
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Old 02-17-2012, 01:05 PM   #22991
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If you're going to attack Bo, you should work losing Rose Bowls into the mix somewhere.
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Old 02-17-2012, 01:12 PM   #22992
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Wow, the craigslist ad should be pretty verifiable. IAMHIV is probably still a scumbag, but it's hard for me to buy that he should be criminally culpable if she's telling people she's 19. That's not the type of situation that law is supposed to cover.
shouldnt be, but you basically gotta ask for ID if you want to be safe these days

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can his lawyer make a strong case here?
lets wait for riverman to fill us in

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Kim Kardashian at 14:

she could easily pass for early 20s here and while thats uncommon its not unique. Sucks that this is the case, but unless the law changes you should be careful with anyone that looks like they could be under 30.
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Old 02-17-2012, 02:00 PM   #22993
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if a woman tells you she's 26 and looks 18, she's 12
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Old 02-17-2012, 02:49 PM   #22994
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Old 02-17-2012, 03:57 PM   #22995
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Conversation came up at lunch today- who would win in a fight, a cat or a peacock? Both are feral.
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Old 02-17-2012, 04:04 PM   #22996
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how old does the cat claim to be?
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Old 02-17-2012, 04:04 PM   #22997
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How big of a cat?
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Old 02-17-2012, 04:05 PM   #22998
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I have to think the peacock has a pretty big advantage in reach and strength.
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Old 02-17-2012, 04:16 PM   #22999
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I think the real question in this HIV mess is, how is he supposed to ask for her ID when she's not even old enough to get a driver's license?
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Old 02-17-2012, 04:29 PM   #23000
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peacocks aint nothin to mess with, would be interesting though
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