the poker add on isnt dead. i dont even know what he was talking about. im pretty sure he doesnt either.

Karak, I am not singling you out on this, don't take it as a personal attack.

Am I the only one who views it as a negative that people from inside the poker community or inside the Washington community are posting updates about the legislation being tacked on? It seems (to me with no law training and limited knowledge about the real legislative process) that this getting through is kind of dependent on it going under the radar and being tacked on without big opponents really knowing a ton about it before it's too late. I feel like giving out news or updates does nothing really to help the legislation pass. The people who are trying to push it through already know that they have our support. The opponents of the bill becoming more aware of the legislation can only be a bad thing imo.

The way I see it, there's no positives other than just having the transparency and feeling like we as supporters are in the loop somehow. However, the negatives of getting opponents riled up about it when they may have never found out about it, and them writing to legislators who will then mount an opposition to it, seem to be real in my opinion.

I may be wrong on this, but from my viewpoint the best thing for all supporters to do is to let shady under the table Washington politics run its course and hope it works out for the best, trying to keep it hidden from mainstream view for as long as possible.

that's like saying posting about pokerstars operating in the US tipped the FBI off to what they were doing. if i can find out, then the people in opposition will most certainly find out. it's not like i have some sort of super special insider access that anyone else who had a vested interest in the bill wouldn't be able to figure out.

my initial guess that something going on was based on nothing but various news reports. it wasn't until after i tweeted a bunch of times that i felt like something legit had a chance that some friends reached out to me to confirm my suspicions.

Only three episodes in, but I think Luck's opening credits could end up being GOATish.

I enjoyed Deadwood's opening but im not sure why

me too

Probably because it's awesome, you cocksucka

Swidgen

you enjoyed it because of naked sideboob ldo

agreed, it's a great song for it

So funny because everything you've posted suggests the exact opposite.

The online poker market is estimated to be worth around $6 billion, and Klein thinks the World Series of Poker could command a 15% share.

this realization is about 10-15 years too late

There appears to be little or no equity value in Caesars' core business given the ugly financials. Yet the IPO prospectus shows Caesars carved out its online business, including the World Series of Poker, into a separate unit unencumbered by debt. This means Caesars equity holders should get all the online profits; hence the investor focus.

Article about their IPO just last week.

It's impossible to overstate how ignorant you are about the impossibility of getting it legalized 10 years ago. Yes, post 9/11, Dubya and the Cheny neocons were gonna TOTALLY support online gambling/money laundering/terrorismmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. In the 10 years since then personal freedoms have been slashed, but yeah, online gambling was getting through. #cmonson

And the size of the US market was clearly known then also. It was public info. PartyPoker was publicly traded and not only released US-based revenue, it also publicized its approximated share of the total.

I mean, even now it's probably doubtful. No one in Washington cares what the casinos want, and they care even less what the players want.

The only reason it's even getting serious consideration is fear at Washington that the States are going to legalize one at a time and create a free for all. That scares them. If there's one thing that Washington fears more than personal freedoms right now it's loss of control over the States.

ETA: Plus Kyl's belief that he can put a fork in online slots and table games now, whereas otherwise with no legislation clearly making those illegal, the States could legalize those too. Basically, only reason its got a shot is that people in Washington now see viable alternative evils that are more evil than just federally regulated online poker.

then why doenst washington make it illegal?

They shut down easy payment processing, they shut down foreign sites taking US bets, threatened others privately in such a way that they voluntarily stopped taking US bets, and no one in the US is allowed to start a site up legally. It's already illegal brah.

This kyl sounds like a major stooge. You're already retiring, what's the point in ruining fun for others. Non-poker players won't remember your great moralizing act.

Without Kyl it has no chance at all fwiw. That's why there's such urgency now. He's the one basically saying "I'll sign off on online poker if it's a bill I think is restrictive enough AND it makes it really clear that slots/casino/sports aren't everevereverevergonnabelegal and I can shut the States out of it". And he's got a ton of clout. He's the one who killed it in late 2010. This is all more or less google-able stuff.

Is there a vid of that chick in your avatar?

can any .gif wizards touch it up so that shirtless dude doesnt pop into the frame, however briefly?

we still talking about poker itt?

i remember i won with KJ once against KK all in on a K J x flop. felt good man

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Sadly, it's prob the best talk on the subject on 2p2