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Originally Posted by Richard Tanner
You hang out with a lot of prison bound folk.
i do.
not necessarily by design, just sort of an effect of where i grew up.
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Originally Posted by Larry Legend
tough spot wiper. the fact her family lives down there and wont help is a bad sign, also the fact he knows you from so long ago and doesnt have closer friends to help him out, or his family.
how do you know this $50 isn't buying the wife drugs?
his friends are back here with me. i'm sure he has friends down there, but seems like they're the type that kinda fade away when you have to go to prison for 18 months.
wife isn't doing drugs.
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Originally Posted by digables
Eh you start a payment plan and now you become 'their guy'
As a friend you feel some responsibility to help out and I understand, but giving anything beyond the $50 is a pretty nice gesture for someone who got himself locked up. I'd probably give a fairly generous one time amount. Why do you have to worry about payments and planning? You aren't his financial advisor, you are a friend pitching in. I'm sure others will too if he's as you described him
semi-longish story...
he's not what you would call a "bright person". kind of a life-grinder who found his calling doing...well, calls. he's legit awesome on the phone. he actually called my wife and had her waking me up to tell me that mastercard needed $2,000 or they were going to take me to court. yeaaah. she handed me the phone, he said 3 words and i screamed, 'WIFER WHAT THE **** THIS IS SHIMMY!'
anyway, he's the hardest worker i know. he's legit doing 18 months in prison b/c he wouldn't start the 'roll on people above you' ball going.
this is one of the few friends that i still have since hs that deserves this help.
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Originally Posted by digables
Assuming the friend will be in contact with him regularly and would let him know he wasn't getting the money being sent?
correct. again, in minimum fed prison he has ridiculous access to the "outside"...he can call anyone once/day for 15 minutes for free. he has a federal prison email acct that he can use whenever once you're on "the list"...he'll be in touch with me soon.
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Originally Posted by digables
I mean from what I gather it's one of his oldest best friends. I have a couple friends I see very rarely that I'd help out in a tough spot
correct.
he's desperately tried to stay in touch more than we have, but getting the "sup man? how is everything?" call twice a week when he's 1200 miles away got annoying/boring since i'm a man and would rather sew than gab on the phone.
he's a great friend who proved his great friend status many many times over the years. just as a short example, he was in a car with our other friend when the other friend got pulled over. other friend was a semester away from graduating as a teacher. other friend had 1/2oz of shrooms that as they were slowing down to get pulled over he passed to shimmy and said, 'dude i can't get caught with these, hide them'.
he did. in his pocket. got asked out of the car and patted down.
ate the charge. because, and i quote, "well he's going to be a teacher and i'm gonna mow lawns the rest of my life".
legitimately a friend that everyone should have, but no one does because people aren't loyal (obv that story doesn't prove loyalty, it proves stupidity, but he has both in bunches).
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Originally Posted by Larry Legend
I think the money is going straight to the wife, and he is in jail so his ability to communicate effectively with her should something go wrong could be pretty bad.
It would honestly be better if you purchased diapers/etc. on amazon and had it shipped to her vs. giving her money that may be used with unreasonable utility. Maybe you help pay her gas bill come winter, but don't just give her cash imo.
i sent the $50 i owed him via the wu-tang method tonight. i will be talking to her tomorrow and him whenever there's a day he can waste his daily call on me and not his kids, and between the two of us we'll figure out a way to make sure his kids eat.
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
Send him $50 to his prison account. Send her nothing. Seems very straightforward. Also, don't set up anything at all with either of them that has a direct debit or automated payment.
there won't be any direct debit, but i will probably eventually set up some sort of system where i'll send the same day every month. i don't want her to have to "beg" or degrade herself in any way. how much? who knows, but that's now what i want. i'm not going to be keeping receipts and then want it back.
sorta the whole, 'don't ship money you can't afford to lose' typa thing.
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Originally Posted by Omar Comin
Does wifey think you should he sending her money Wiper?
wifey knows the stories behind the reason i'm going to stay loyal to him. she's talked to him maybe 10 minutes ever, but she knows me and the stories i've told about he and i to know enough to not question it.
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Originally Posted by Omar Comin
Also I would probably send the $50 then go to visit the husband in prison and talk to him about all of this.
if he was in ohio i would have already been on his visitor's list and most likely bought him some microwavable snacks and discussed it with him in person. he's in florida.
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Originally Posted by Biesterfield
Im just amazed you typed that on a phone on an exercise bike
hahaha, guilty.
i like the non-digital old school bike b/c it's basically out of the flow of traffic so people leave me the **** alone. music doesn't do it for me when working out, so i surf my phone and watch tv.
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Originally Posted by AcTiOnJaCsOn
He didn't really fill in the back story, but I cant think of any best childhood friends I have where they would go twelve years and see me twice. Doesn't sound too loyal to me unless there is more that we don't know. Can only think of a couple people that Id do this for, that I don't see frequently, but even then, I see them the 2 times a year Ive visited home (the past 5 years). Guess what im trying to say is that 2 times in 12 years seems kind of unacceptable to me, for a true, loyal friend.
again, south florida and northeast ohio are far apart.
obviously tons of backstory, but like i said, i don't "owe" him anything, but i'm not gonna let his wife/kids suffer if i can help it.
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Originally Posted by Omar Comin
He was best man at his first wedding, sometimes people drift apart but they're still good friends.
yep.
if he didn't move, we'd see each other a lot. we're still the same people and share the same memories.
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Originally Posted by SHARK DOCTOR
but that's the point of being a loyal friend, isn't it?
yup.
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
better way to evaluate would be what role he had in wiper's wedding. was he his best man? a groomsman? normal invite? didn't attend?
he couldn't get back up, but if it means anything i didn't ask my one cousin to be in my wedding until i knew this cat couldn't come for sure.
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Originally Posted by AcTiOnJaCsOn
wiper would certainly be a loyal friend if he helped out. Better person than me. Im referring to the "friend" who has only seen wiper 2 times in 12 yrs. Again though, wiper didn't really fill us in completely. Maybe this guy and wiper were best friends until college, and the guy saved him from beatings all through middle and high school?
lol nah...
he would box me when we were 19 or 20 knowing he was gonna get knocked down a lot. always got back up, always volunteered to box again. we've punched each other drunk and fighting multiple times. we've gotten our asses whooped 2 v 5 where he didn't even need to be there for many reasons, not the least of which was because i spit in a guy's girlfriend's face (not my proudest moment).
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Originally Posted by Larry Legend
I think the friendship is the wrong thing to focus on. We all have friends we would do this for, this is one of wiper's, now what is his play?
I think lump sum is a bad idea because it sets a bad precedent (even if you say it is never happening again).
you're right. i'm not close with him now, but i would assume he'd do the same for me.
loyalty to people that deserve it is never a bad thing.
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
I really think the play is to send him $50 on his jail account. If you plan to do more than that then maybe send $10-25/month to that account after this. I can't think of any scenario where I would send the wife money knowing wiper's (non)relationship with her.
she got his $50. when i talk to him we'll iron out details for anything else he/she needs.
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Originally Posted by Riverman
Dude its Youngstown. If you are hanging out with other people you are hanging out with prison bound folk.
i mean, i realize that's a poke, but it's true.
i had 5 great, great friends as a kid. all stayed as thick as thieves through our young 20's.
of those 6 (myself included) now..
-one is doing 18 months in federal prison
-one just started doing 5 years in ohio prison
-one overdosed twice on heroin, and is now a certified pastor
-one overdosed on xanax, and is now living with his mother with no job
-one lives with his mom and dad
-one is a teacher with a master's degree (me)
makes me thankful whenever i think about it.