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Originally Posted by kbfc
I agree that the memetarding is generally lame. The problem is: moderation past what is necessary to remove spam and structure the forum is generally even lamer.
I agree that minimalist modding is optimal.
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Originally Posted by kbfc
Basically ya. The users ARE the forum. I agree that from my perspective, the forum has trended down a little bit in the last year or two, but:
a) that says more about how great it was then than how bad it is now,
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b) that's not something that is going to be fixed by moderation regardless.
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Originally Posted by Triumph36
this is partly true, but it doesn't recognize the role that modding had in shaping the forum of one or two years ago. imo, it's more than you think.
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Originally Posted by kbfc
Something something ClarkMyth, something somethng.
Meh, there were many posters who at the time sent PMs thanking me for making the forum readable. All we did was "no name calling" and rigorously enforce it for about a month, get rid of the *****OFFICIAL**************** threads (that was in every single thread title) and ask for more informative thread titles in their place. That's it, but it was hugely effective and traffic started increasing well above any general water level increase.
About the only other thing I ever really did was move single team season threads into their own subforum. I still don't know if that was good or bad but it sure makes the front page better for me personally, so I'm happy with it.
I mean, you're free to disagree, but there was a lot of data on traffic at the time, and anecdotally I can tell you lots of people said the changes caused them to start contributing/posting more. Considering that people now bitch about "lol x" thread titles, I think it shows how far we've come in the whole readability regard.
At any rate, I think that there's certainly a case to be made for reigning in some of the stuff that clearly adds no value, and every time we've banned a poster permanently, it's been like "why didn't we do this sooner". I think we bend over backwards to not have to do that stuff, but if someone like RJ insists, then I'm happy to accommodate him. If Epi/TuT/Victor (as an example, not the only ones) go through phases with truly zero add (well, with negative add, if you will), I'm to the point where I'm not gonna apologize for them anymore and green-light bans for trolling/sucking.
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Originally Posted by kbfc
The mistake Clark/tuq make when they put on the rosy mod-glasses is that they mistake their modding as their value, when in fact they were just really good posters.
Meh, I put no value on my modding now other than the fact that I don't do much of it, which we agree is the right approach. However, having mods who agree with that approach and don't screw it up by overmodding provides value. The alternative is Dids, the classic example of overmoderation.
As a poster, I'm merely ok in general.
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Originally Posted by Biased Rose Colored Glasses
All said, Assani by himself has probably contributed more to this forum (and other 2+2 forums) than every non-maintenance modding action combined in the history of the internet.
C'mon now. This is clearly false and only explained due to extreme bias as a result of real life friendship. Assani has clearly contributed stuff, but has frequently also been a mega distraction in a negative way on no shortage of occassions. Especially wrt SE, we're talking about the introducing FBG draft threads to this forum, above average basketball discussion and............what? Biased football analysis and Denver is an elite team takes? Assani adds value for sure, but you're neglecting the negative plays in your calculus.
As an aside to everyone, there's a whole lot of "SE sucks right now" that really should be more correctly noted as "NBA discussion has been tarded up from time to time lately". Prob a little dramabombing going on making it seem worse than it is.