yeah, basically this. Your post was very clear. zee's "this happens in pakistan no one cares" response, while maybe valid, has nothing to do with what is being discussed.

I cannot emphasize this enough. When you open fire on law enforcement officers, you cannot possibly expect a non-lethal apprehension.

In general people are gonna ldo feel more empathy when things happen to people that are closer and/or more similar to them. Trying to deny or change it is akin to pissing in the wind.

facebook likes tho.

Nothing more tilting than people soapboxing during a tragedy.

uh what do you mean? it is glaring. it is blaring down from the rooftops. how could you possibly miss that tragedies of this magnitude are inflicted due to american policy every single day in the middle east? this fact is screaming behind every angle. it is absolutely shouting, and that is why the myopic double down! huddle up! AMERICA! angle requires such loud, vociferous, vicious, universal support to drown it out.

Obv they should just politely ask the dude who is trying to kill them with bombs and guns to surrender and then put him up in a luxury suite for 20 years like they do with their mass murderers in lolEurope.

I an not a lawyer, but I think you're a suspect until the court rules otherwise.

I agree with this.

mebbe so, but it's prob in response to say, the hysterical media coverage and hugely emotive irrationality and bloodthirstiness and casual racism/fear/whatnot

just cos im smart enough to be self-aware that its useless soapboxing and preaching to the choir vs the tsunami of lolmobmentality doesn't make any such arguments invalid

Well excuse me for replying in such unmeasured tone to a post that chastised "Murcans" for the implied belief that law enforcement agents have carte blanche to do whatever they want to "suspects," despite the fact that they're no longer suspects; of course, that would've been difficult for you to ascertain, considering you "didn't follow" the proceedings of the last 18 hours.

You want to take a thinly-veiled shot at American society from a self-proclaimed perch of moral superiority? Fine. But if it's idiotic, don't be surprised when you're called out in a fiery tone.

Call it what you want but I'm ok making people like this suffer. Death is too swift for them.

Here is a non-tilt-post by someone who is considering his words:

yeah grate quoting glenn greenwald thats def gonna make me change my mind

Is this a serious question? People who are not mentally ill do not do things like this. You're probably more likely to learn something from an autopsy than questioning him.

And again.. are you expecting insightful answers here? Do we have any reason to trust what the guy would tell us anyway? I think you're being extremely idealistic to believe that you're going to get anything out of the guy that will genuinely help the country in the long term. It sounds good practically, but I don't see exactly what you're going to learn. Frankly, I'd just rather save the money it would cost to put this guy in prison for the rest of his life (~$3M?).

Pretty sure the answer to Greenwald's article is "lol religion."

wat is this

project more stuff onto me

But no internet access for him! Not sure if a 19 year old hooker will be provided.

Looking forward to Das Boot taking up a full time gig carefully memorializing the death of every innocent worldwide.

i dont want to politard this more than it already is and i dont really care what happens to this guy, but this is wrong. we actually got proof of that when breivik shot all those kids. im sure plenty of people wanted him dead, but the reaction was much less old testament than what it seems to be when something similar takes place in the us. i dont think you guys are always aware of it, but americans are in general much more focused on punishment than the rest of the western world, even fairly civilized places like this forum.

Without getting caught up in semantics too much, I think it's safe to say now that beginning from 10:30 pm of last night, there is zero ambiguity surrounding their actions that have brought us to where we are right now.

I've made very little reference to Monday. This started when fanerio thought it was appropriate to admonish "Murca" for cops trying to cease and desist the two perps with force, despite being completely justified in their response.

this. and frankly it's phony. stuff close to home is always going to impact people more than stuff halfway across the world. we're a local species. People who post crap like that aren't walking around heartbroken daily at the underfed and criminally abused in various pockets of the globe. It's impossible. You'd either eat a bullet or never get out of bed if you actually thought that way.

When I heard this news, I was heartbroken. I've actually worked at the finish line during the marathon before. I've had friends run and volunteer at the marathon. I know what it's like in boston and massachusetts on patriots day. it's one of the best days of the year.

Stepping back and thinking logically, this attack pales in comparison to 9/11, the OKC bombing, the Mumbai hotel attack, and various other attacks. But for at least a few hours, this filled me with sadness more than any of those, rightly or wrongly, and I suspect that's the case for 99.99% of all humans for tragedies near versus far.

So you think there's literally no useful information that can be gleaned? OK, we disagree fundamentally. I think you're just outright wrong.

And this isn't just about this guy. It's about America's incredibly unproductive, defensive, mob mentality in regards to tragedies in general. It's literally ingrained not to even truly question *why* these things happen, because that's sympathizing with terrorists, or un-American, or insensitive, or something. In terms of tragedy over the short-term? Sure, there's a ton of variance, people can just be evil, etc. In terms of tragedy over the long term? We sleep in the bed we make. And we've been ignoring that bed for a ****ing long time. The bed has an arsenal of assault weapons. The bed has been watching its brothers and sisters die in the Middle East.

i'm middle eastern. i get this beaten into my head over and over again from friends and family. i know all about what goes down there and the direct and indirect influence from american foreign policy and how that policy is aided by misguided and irrational nationalism and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

what i do know and have more or less resigned myself to as it relates to trying to get your point across is that there are the battles you can win and the battles you have absolutely zero chance in hell in winning enough people over to truly be heard. there are those who have enough conviction that they fight the latter battles anyway who i have nothing but the utmost tremendous respect for. then there are those who just pay lipservice to those battles which is more or less the vast majority of them. look at kony for instance and the intolerable amount of people who thought they were activists just by liking a post or writing a status update just because it was the flavor of the month and had no intention to give a **** prior to seeing it was trending and have no intention of giving a **** probably a week after posting it. how many of the people who have posted about kony are still posting about similar atrocities that are still ongoing in africa? they've probably given that up in favor of going to back to posting dave matthews band lyrics and talking about their sweet loft and randomly misapplying citations from kerouak

99% of the people who use x tragedy to say "BUT Y IS HAPPENING IN Z AND YOU DON'T CARE DO YOU?" are so unfathomably full of **** that it's laughable to even discuss them

The latter two paragraphs of the Greenwald post address this line of thinking.

But even lip service matters! People can vote with their voices and their votes. It's not Kony and that ****; I'm not talking about taking ownership of every crisis in the world. I'm talking about the much more modest, yet still completely beyond America right now, goal of the American citizenship taking ownership of America's actions and policies.

Think about, when the Iraq War was rapidly losing popularity and steam, the numbers that were being cited in the media. It was the troops dying that led every story, the number of US deaths climbing up one by one. The tens/hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians were literally an afterthought.