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Old 04-04-2013, 09:02 AM   #58051
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This chemical engineer dude and I have a few friends in common and he knows I have a lit background and last week he emailed me out of the blue and asked in a 100% non-trolling way about books; his questions basically boiled down to "what makes great art great?" and "what makes lousy art lousy?" and "are protactors made out of clear plastic because that way it's easier to read Hamlet through them?"

He's a really good guy and (also like a lot of my family) an exclusively left-brain dude, if he had a slogan it would be "UTILITY!" and yeah, what I should have done was write him a three-sentence response back about how those are some genuinely good and important questions and how they're also kind of unanswerable, at least in alphabet.

But naaaaaaaaah, I went the other way and spent the next five hours writing him an 8000 word reply. And it honestly was 8000 words, and I'm sure he'll (correctly) ignore most of it. And that's fine, bc you pick your spots, and it was good for me to think about that stuff for a few hours--but still I'm def not going to **** up the FAQ thread even more than I already do by writing posts that are too long.

Imo part of the problem with this conversation is that "reading" is too broad a word; passive reading and active reading are like two totally different sports and there's a place for each. Same thing with "Film Watching" and "Painting Looking" and "A Million Other Things." But when people who only are equipped to watch/read something passively are exposed to something that can only successfully be watched actively then it's no wonder that they think it sucks. It's not because they're dumb, it's obviously not that, it's because active reading is for the most part a learned skill, that they've basically never been taught, maybe bc they're not really interested in learning it, which is fine. The world is big and round.

But this kind of split happens over and over and over again on 2p2 and nobody ever understands each other and it's prob doomed to stay that way
, mostly bc of the nature of poker. But for all non-readers, trust me, the literary devices that we sometimes like to talk about are not a bunch of made-up phony conspiratorial conceits agreed upon by some academic cabal in the basement of castle wolfenstein that is hellbent on making everybody who isn't a star-bellied sneetch feel like a philistine. They're just stuff we learned to spot that helps us figure out wtf a writer is thinking and why the story might actually be really interesting. Sorry, mini-rant over, I'll post shorter.
I think I can actually understand both sides. I was a slow reader, and hated it even though I felt compelled to read the classics from a young age. Growing up in Bum****, AL I was still way the best reader in my class. Then I found out about techniques for reading much faster which were never taught in school. In school we were taught to read outloud and pronounce correctly, then to read silently which of course would be at a conversational pace--half my classmates still moved their lips mouthing the words. But that was it--no refinement from there. Nobody ever ****ing told me that you could then just begin registering the words without pronouncing them in your head! Once you start doing that, you can process written text much faster. In fact, once you get the fundamentals down, the limitation becomes eye movement speed and stamina.

Reading became much more stimulating and fulfilling once it became possible to read a novel in about the time it takes to watch a long movie. Lately I don't have much time for reading so I've been listening to audiobooks in the car--which is fine but spending a week getting through a book takes me back to a lot of not-being-able-to-remember-what-happened-in-the-beginning-of-the-book-by-the-end-of-the-book, and I'm at least listening at double speed. Considering just listening to podcasts and the audio version of the Economist instead, except both of those often talk up interesting-sounding new books.

If locked in that conversational pace while reading, I could see how it would be a total turn-off, especially for someone with ADHD. Just not enough input.
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Old 04-04-2013, 09:33 AM   #58052
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I won't even get into how French words are pronounced down here. I've had many a blank stare over the years pronouncing things correctly only to be told the Americanized version. Then again hearing the Metro announcer lady in Paris pronounce the Franklin Roosevelt stop was just as hilarious, so whatevs.
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Old 04-04-2013, 10:43 AM   #58053
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Anyone know anything about the Wii U?
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Old 04-04-2013, 10:43 AM   #58054
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Does anyone else have the problem when watching HBOGO where the picture quality alternates between good and blurry throughout? Drives me crazy.
the hbo go picture quality is consistently awesome for me.
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Old 04-04-2013, 10:47 AM   #58055
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the hbo go picture quality is consistently awesome for me.
Yup. Better than Netflix for me.
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Old 04-04-2013, 10:48 AM   #58056
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i have trouble getting a great picture consistently on 3g, but with wifi no issues at all.
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:13 AM   #58057
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Does anyone else have the problem when watching HBOGO where the picture quality alternates between good and blurry throughout? Drives me crazy.
mine looks blurry for like maybe the first minute of a show and then switches to perfect quality

also happens to go blurry if I pause it for awhile
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:20 AM   #58058
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Anyone know anything about the Wii U?
Just another online degree mill like phoenix.
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:32 AM   #58059
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Anyone know anything about the Wii U?
I don't have one but I follow game/tech press. What do you want to know?
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:35 AM   #58060
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:41 AM   #58061
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the hbo go picture quality is consistently awesome for me.
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Yup. Better than Netflix for me.
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mine looks blurry for like maybe the first minute of a show and then switches to perfect quality

also happens to go blurry if I pause it for awhile
Okay yeah, this is what happens to me. Pretty frustrating since other sites that stream shows/movies work fine for me.
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:42 AM   #58062
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... Nobody ever ****ing told me that you could then just begin registering the words without pronouncing them in your head! Once you start doing that, you can process written text much faster. In fact, once you get the fundamentals down, the limitation becomes eye movement speed and stamina.

Reading became much more stimulating and fulfilling once it became possible to read a novel in about the time it takes to watch a long movie. ...
We're opposites. I can read without an inner monologue, but I need to "hear" the narrator and slow down and immerse myself to enjoy fiction. Besides, style/voice/rhythm is a big part of what makes fiction enjoyable, at least for me.
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:55 AM   #58063
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:57 AM   #58064
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Pronounce foreign countries the way they pronounce them or how we pronounce them? Brazil or Braseal, France or Frahhnce? I feel the latter is always correct but feel like a tool doing so in the US.
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:57 AM   #58065
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Does anyone else have the problem when watching HBOGO where the picture quality alternates between good and blurry throughout? Drives me crazy.
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Yup. Better than Netflix for me.
I do quite a bit of streaming of both HBO Go and Netflix and agree with these two that I have great picture and almost never any latency with HBO Go. With Netflix it can be choppy from time to time and I usually have to reboot my tablet to ensure all processes are shutdown to ensure best results - I suppose that could suggest the problem is on my end but that doesn't explain the discrepancy.

Netflix uses three different CDNs for their streaming. If one of them bogs down they will jump to another one. That explains why you will see a blurry picture instantly jump into focus. A decent percentage of the time it's because it's switching networks.
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:08 PM   #58066
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We're opposites. I can read without an inner monologue, but I need to "hear" the narrator and slow down and immerse myself to enjoy fiction. Besides, style/voice/rhythm is a big part of what makes fiction enjoyable, at least for me.
Also you like steampunk.

Infinite Jest audiobook--your thoughts?
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:14 PM   #58067
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there's like 100 pages of endnotes so i can't imagine it's any good.
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:17 PM   #58068
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Also you like steampunk.

Infinite Jest audiobook--your thoughts?
Old post, but I haven't listened to it and don't plan to, so my thoughts are the same.

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I can't imagine listening to the audiobook version either. ... the appearance of the text is a big part of enjoying it, and [IJ is] so heteroglossic that I can't imagine the voice actor managing to correctly capture all of the cadences of the different prose styles and **** like that.

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Old 04-04-2013, 12:25 PM   #58069
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Yeah my first thought is how the hell do you handle the endnotes with that format? Seems like it would be the worst audiobook ever.
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Apparently they use a different voice actor for the endnotes.
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:33 PM   #58071
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googling turned up this review which claims it tells you where the endnotes are but you have to refer to a pdf to read them.
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:33 PM   #58072
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Yeah my first thought is how the hell do you handle the endnotes with that format? Seems like it would be the worst audiobook ever.
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Pronounce foreign countries the way they pronounce them or how we pronounce them? Brazil or Braseal, France or Frahhnce? I feel the latter is always correct but feel like a tool doing so in the US.
Obama used to get tons of flack for pronouncing pakistan correctly from conservative radio idiots.
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Old 04-04-2013, 01:23 PM   #58074
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I use the same rule as the DH, play by the home team's rules.
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Old 04-04-2013, 01:33 PM   #58075
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Texas towns. No idea how they are supposed to be pronounced but this is how everyone says them:

Nacogdoches = NACK-a-doshe-iss
Refugio = re-FYURR-ee-oh
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