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Old 04-03-2013, 09:37 AM   #57751
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Re: SE FAQ, Liveblog & Reading is Fundamental

GOAT books for me as a kid









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Old 04-03-2013, 09:43 AM   #57752
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Link please.
I meant in that video, when they throw water onto him thinking it will wake him up, but he is sucking air unconscious and he starts choking.
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Old 04-03-2013, 09:44 AM   #57753
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phantom tollbooth a contender for the best book ever without harry potter in the title
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Old 04-03-2013, 09:48 AM   #57754
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i had a crazy goosebumps phase where i read almost one of those each day. Cant say I remember anything from the stories, but I remember it being pretty captivating.
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Old 04-03-2013, 09:51 AM   #57755
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yeah when i was around ten i would keep getting them from the library and read all of them in order. i even kept a checklist
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Old 04-03-2013, 09:56 AM   #57756
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roald dahl and phantom tollbooth obv elite reading material for children.
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The movies/books thing is silly. There are many examples of movies being better than their counterparts.

http://www.complexmag.ca/pop-culture...-than-the-book

I am seeing Drive at forty eight. I loved that movie and have no desire to ever touch the book. List looks solid.
50 item lists with one item per page can go **** themselves.

think i disagree with 50 though. movie was pretty disappointing imo.
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Old 04-03-2013, 10:01 AM   #57757
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dfw commencement speech was awesome.
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Old 04-03-2013, 10:06 AM   #57758
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to wayside school, phantom tollbooth, and encyclopedia brown.
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Old 04-03-2013, 10:10 AM   #57759
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phantom tollbooth a contender for the best book ever without harry potter in the title


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i had a crazy goosebumps phase where i read almost one of those each day. Cant say I remember anything from the stories, but I remember it being pretty captivating.
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yeah when i was around ten i would keep getting them from the library and read all of them in order. i even kept a checklist
Both of these. I think I got to about book 45 in the series before I stopped reading them.
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Old 04-03-2013, 10:13 AM   #57760
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Wayside school A+. I also loved incognito mosquito books, the Bruce Coville (book of monsters, book of aliens etc), and baileys school kids.

Think reading got ruined for me when I had to read the secret garden in 4th grade for a book report.
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Old 04-03-2013, 10:15 AM   #57761
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Roald Dahl was great. Danny the Champion of the World so elite.
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Old 04-03-2013, 10:17 AM   #57762
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I would probably pay a decent amount to see a forum full of it people, engineers, and finance majors discuss classic literature.
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Old 04-03-2013, 10:18 AM   #57763
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in high school they made us read a bunch of terrible books and annotate them. we were expected to have notes on every single page. it was awful, i just highlighted random lines and scribbled words in the margins but while doing that couldnt remember anything i read
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Old 04-03-2013, 10:22 AM   #57764
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i used cliffs notes for the horribly boring **** they made me read in high school like return of the native, ethan frome and tale of two cities.

which reminds me, to that saul bellow essay that get linked earlier. i always wanted to yell at my english teachers that not everything has to be a goddamn symbol.

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Old 04-03-2013, 10:46 AM   #57765
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guess im the only one who thought the dfw speech was all kinds of meh. ya, youll be miserable all the time if you dwell on all the bs u gotta put with in live and hate everyone around you for various reasons so its better to focus on the positives or at least learn to ignore as much ugliness and annoyance as possible. most ppl learn this pretty damn quick.

anyway, mostly feel sorry for ppl that dont like to read. its a bit more engaging and active than tv or movies while still being more convenient. it gives your imagination and perspective more details but also requires you to construct more details and ideas. often provides more insight. and grasping the insight tends to be more rewarding via books.
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Old 04-03-2013, 10:48 AM   #57766
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the way to parse literature taught in schools is ldo horrible - if it doesn't strip you of a love of books and turn it basically into math-for-novels, you must've had lazy english teachers.
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:10 AM   #57767
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Depending on how got show handles the coming seasons it could very easily be the poster child for a screen adaptation being better than books.

Scarlet letter is also mega good. Invisible man is probably the best thing I was ever forced to read in a class though.
One flew over the cuckoos nest is my best forced read.
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:13 AM   #57768
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not an expert, taking a stab.
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movies are always better than books. if i want to hear a story i'll take the version that i can absorb in 2 hours or less that comes with pretty pictures. when i try to read novels i end up zoning out on the same paragraph for 10 mins. i do not understand the appeal.
It's hard to specifically explain what I get out of novels. Simple descriptions fall short; the best way that I can compare how I'm hit the best novels (e.g. Infinite Jest) to other artistic fare is that is that the best novels just have a full extra dimension. My best guess is that some of the experience you seem to be missing from art, in general, has to do with mindfulness.

If you're looking for music or art to be, essentially, simply functional - to raise your mood, teach you some specific lesson, or just entertain you for a few hours - sure, fair. That type of stuff is all well and good, but I also want something more. A transcendental state that I can't get through most media, one that's difficult to reach in most areas of life. To be fully engrossed by what's in front of me, to be in awe of the universe that's unfolding. When wrapped up in great art, the boundaries of the art become the boundaries of your universe, and that's a tremendously liberating and thrilling feeling, one worth actively seeking out.

I'm engulfed by a great novel, and, when I come out, it's with fresh attentiveness, a new lens on the world, and a renewed sense of mental vigor. The whole experience once engrossed is the return on the time "investment" it takes to become engrossed, but it's never failed to be an amazingly worthwhile investment for me, and it's one I should be making more often. It seems like an inability to reach this type of mindful state may be what's hindering your conception of the value of the novel as art form (or of the value of art, in general.)

this all sounds fairly pretentious on the page and is in addition to/in complement with the type of stuff victor said, which I also agree with, but it's my best shot at presenting the case to you, at least in reasonably condensed format. you read novels because a ton of them are great art; you invest yourself in discovering what, for you, is great art in search of this type of experience.

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Old 04-03-2013, 11:21 AM   #57769
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the way to parse literature taught in schools is ldo horrible - if it doesn't strip you of a love of books and turn it basically into math-for-novels, you must've had lazy english teachers.
This seems pretty universal, which is insanely ******ed, because it more or less made me stop reading for pleasure in high school. Like, I probably would have hated Catcher in the Rye had it been assigned reading but I loved it since I read it on my own. **** high school English straight in the ass basically.
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:24 AM   #57770
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We had to read Catcher in the Rye twice in high school, the second time specifically looking for deeper symbolism. Die die die
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:25 AM   #57771
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forget all the books we read in hs, Sound and the Fury was pretty awesome though. Don't think Catcher in the Rye has aged all that well.

@Dean again: I'd also second all the recommendations to try out short stories. There's some great stuff out there.
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:26 AM   #57772
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We had to read Catcher in the Rye twice in high school, the second time specifically looking for deeper symbolism. Die die die
For real. Holden Caulfield tops my list of fictional characters I'd murder.
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:27 AM   #57773
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Yikes @ reading The Sound & the Fury in high school.
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:28 AM   #57774
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lol at you fish who actually read everything teachers "required." Only book I remmeber kinda liking was Huck Finn.
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:29 AM   #57775
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High school especially felt too old for it to fully resonate on some level. We read it like immediately after The Great Gatsby, which is obviously awesome, and the comparison didn't do it many favors.

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