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Old 04-03-2013, 01:01 AM   #57676
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Old 04-03-2013, 01:02 AM   #57677
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I cried when Dumbledore died in HP, put that book down, wiped my tears, cursed Snape, and went right back into that *****. I can still smell the cold mocha I had next to me.
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Old 04-03-2013, 01:06 AM   #57678
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haha i was actually STOKED due to earlier point being proven correct

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most of the time when people express dumb opinions (regarding "all reading is stupid" which is what i thought you meant) it's just easier to lol and move on.

fwiw your second post makes it seem like you just straight up hate reading.
yeah and i think when it comes to social viewpoints people are too quick to write differing perspectives off as dumb.

my second post only describes when i attempt read novels. if the material is interesting that doesn't happen

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you really don't see why some people enjoy fiction? a talented author using creativity/imagination to illustrate a point can be interesting.

obv on the non-fiction train as well though
i mean i get that it's the basic foundation. just feels like there should be more there to consistently rip through novels that take presumably 20+ hours to read.
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Old 04-03-2013, 01:09 AM   #57679
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Books offer a level of immersion that is not achievable with other media. The satisfaction at a payoff so long in the making can be immense. You can also get a window in the minds of the characters that cannot be done any other way. In a movie or a TV show, one extrapolates the thoughts and feelings of the characters from their actions. In a book, one can see the thoughts firsthand. The artistry of using words to describe something is also appealing to many; sometimes an author can make a description so perfect or use such a clever metaphor that you know exactly what he's talking about.

If those things don't appeal to you, then that is fine. But it seemed like you really didn't know why it appeals to anybody, so I'm trying to explain it.
this is a good post

actually reminds me that i DID like catcher in the rye. that was a good book. i read that in high school.

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You're an internet pua who roots for Duke and I don't think your screen name is meant to be ironic. But yeah, people jump to too many conclusions about you.

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fyi i am not really meaning to make this about me. of course i expect people like phildo who only know me as the guy who posted about pua that one day to jump to conclusions about me.
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Old 04-03-2013, 01:09 AM   #57680
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Old 04-03-2013, 01:14 AM   #57681
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Old 04-03-2013, 01:16 AM   #57682
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yeah and i think when it comes to social viewpoints people are too quick to write differing perspectives off as dumb.
i tend to agree and i also thought it was cringeworthy when a bunch of dudes ripped into karak for daring to be christian. but i'm still firm on an "all reading is stupid" stance makes that person a dumbass unless they're dyslexic or something.

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Old 04-03-2013, 01:17 AM   #57683
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movies are always better than books. if i want to hear a story i'll take the version that i can absorb in 2 hours or less that comes with pretty pictures. when i try to read novels i end up zoning out on the same paragraph for 10 mins. i do not understand the appeal.
Weird post to me. Not because it's objectively correct to prefer the novel, I can understand preferring the movies, but to not understand the appeal of novels? Novels are able to go more in depth, better character development etc. People get to use their imagination and create the world in their mind the way they see it, instead of seeing someone else's version in a movie.

I can see why people don't enjoy reading, but it's not hard to see why they do.
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Old 04-03-2013, 01:20 AM   #57684
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Man I really thought Infinite Jest as a movie was better.
LOL not sure if anyone else caught this. Well done.

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Old 04-03-2013, 01:22 AM   #57685
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That's wrong. This forum has always openly condemned beliefs not backed by sufficient evidence and mocked those who espoused them. Do you not remember Systolic?
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Old 04-03-2013, 01:25 AM   #57686
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so far the only example i've seen posted that makes a good case for the movie being > th book is the godfather, but based on some of the other absolutely absurd "examples" (OFOTCN, LOTR, etc) i feel plenty comfortable with my original statement.
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Old 04-03-2013, 01:27 AM   #57687
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i tend to agree and i also thought it was cringeworthy when a bunch of dudes ripped into karak for daring to be christian. but i'm still firm on an "all reading is stupid" stance makes that person a dumbass unless they're dyslexic or something.
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Weird post to me. Not because it's objectively correct to prefer the novel, I can understand preferring the movies, but to not understand the appeal of novels? Novels are able to go more in depth, better character development etc. People get to use their imagination and create the world in their mind the way they see it, instead of seeing someone else's version in a movie.

I can see why people don't enjoy reading, but it's not hard to see why they do.
fwiw for me i found the whole imagination and creation of the world in my mind as a negative. that requires a lot of mental energy and i think there is a bit lost in translation from the authors mind > his words > my mind. there have been times when i have been frustrated because i couldn't imagine certain parts of the book as vividly as i want to.
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Old 04-03-2013, 01:27 AM   #57688
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I cried when Dumbledore died in HP, put that book down, wiped my tears, cursed Snape, and went right back into that *****. I can still smell the cold mocha I had next to me.
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Old 04-03-2013, 01:36 AM   #57689
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that requires a lot of mental energy
This part I can understand.

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i think there is a bit lost in translation from the authors mind > his words > my mind.
But the reader doesn't have to imagine the story the same way the author did. That isn't one of prose fiction's goals.

edit: I wish more people would watch Texhnolyze so I could have someone to talk about it with.

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Texhnolyze is an elite show. It's a very dark, gory, slow-paced, and "difficult" cyberpunk series. I marathoned it in 2.5 days last week. Subsequent episodes aren't as experimental and dialogue-spare as the first.

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Old 04-03-2013, 01:44 AM   #57690
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all this book talk made me realize that it was the Classic Book Series of the 90's that made me into the poster I am today.

brb, gotta MORPH

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Old 04-03-2013, 01:49 AM   #57691
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"What good is the study of literature? Does it help us think more clearly, or feel more sensitively, or live a better life than we could without it?" Written in the relaxed and frequently humorous style of his public lectures, this remains, of Northrop Frye's many books, perhaps the easiest introduction to his theories of literature and literary education.
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Herman Northrop "Norrie" Frye, CC FRSC (July 14, 1912 – January 23, 1991) was a Canadian literary critic and literary theorist, considered one of the most influential of the 20th century.

Frye gained international fame with his first book, Fearful Symmetry (1947), which led to the reinterpretation of the poetry of William Blake. His lasting reputation rests principally on the theory of literary criticism that he developed in Anatomy of Criticism (1957), one of the most important works of literary theory published in the twentieth century. American critic Harold Bloom commented at the time of its publication that Anatomy established Frye as "the foremost living student of Western literature." Frye's contributions to cultural and social criticism spanned a long career during which he earned widespread recognition and received many honours.

This is a really good and short read for anyone interested in the topic of the value of reading, specifically fiction.

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Old 04-03-2013, 01:52 AM   #57692
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i don't mean that i need to envision the characters having the same hair color as they do in the author's head, just that i feel a decent bit goes over my head due to being unable to relate to some aspects or not thoroughly processing every word due to ADD.

i don't know, after all of this i'll probably try to go ahead and read a novel to see if i like it or not. it's been forever since i tried, but i'll have to be sure to pick a really good one because i know i'm not finishing any one that's less than stellar.

infinite jest is IN THE MIX as a candidate.
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Old 04-03-2013, 01:53 AM   #57693
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I mean William Blake!
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Old 04-03-2013, 01:56 AM   #57694
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all this book talk made me realize that it was the Classic Book Series of the 90's that made me into the poster I am today.

brb, gotta MORPH

yup, GOAT
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Old 04-03-2013, 01:57 AM   #57695
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I hope you're being sarcastic about Infinite Jest, as someone with your complaints.

Start with Hemingway short stories, preferably just read In Our Time in order.
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Old 04-03-2013, 01:58 AM   #57696
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the last essay from DFW's "A Supposedly Fun Thing I'll Never Do Again" is the GOAT short story

that being said i am pretty damn sure there is no peer-reviewed research that supports the idea that reading text is the best way to synthesize/retain information. i happen to love reading but the knee-jerk reaction from people who say "LOL IF YOU DON'T READ YOU ARE A BIG DUMB" kinda has no evidence to support the concept

i mean there are tons of very smart software developers that i know who make $$$$ and understand lots about math, physics, logic, and other scientific things that learn from webcasts, podcasts, MOOCs that use videos, and very little conventional text-based reading

common sense/logic would indicate that processing information is done in a myriad of ways and the very hard-lined theory that reading is by far the best way to get this information probably isn't true in all cases

anyway how did we get on this topic

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oh i forgot about The String Theory by DFW. anyone who isn't an idiot and likes sports should absolutely read this short story. it is awesome
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yeah do not start with infinite jest jfc
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you should try gaiaonline i hear they love that japanimation stuff
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the last essay from DFW's "A Supposedly Fun Thing I'll Never Do Again" is the GOAT short story
that's non fiction although it's obv incredible.
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I told Dean he would enjoy Infinite Jest but I meant it in the way that he would enjoy getting high and reading like half a dozen pages and having his mind blown every now and then.

I think the requirements for Dean's book club inaugural selection are contemporary setting and intelligently written but somewhat plot driven. I would exclude Hemingway for those two reasons.

Thoughts?
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Old 04-03-2013, 02:13 AM   #57699
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i don't mean that i need to envision the characters having the same hair color as they do in the author's head, just that i feel a decent bit goes over my head due to being unable to relate to some aspects or not thoroughly processing every word due to ADD.

i don't know, after all of this i'll probably try to go ahead and read a novel to see if i like it or not. it's been forever since i tried, but i'll have to be sure to pick a really good one because i know i'm not finishing any one that's less than stellar.

infinite jest is IN THE MIX as a candidate.
Short stories are a good way to ease yourself into reading more fiction. A few I've enjoyed:

"Incarnations of Burned Children" / "Philosophy and the Mirror of Nature" [DFW's short fiction is a better entry point than Infinite Jest. His essays are the best entry point.]

"Dredge"

"A Real Doll"

All of these are kind of disturbing.
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the last essay from DFW's "A Supposedly Fun Thing I'll Never Do Again" is the GOAT short story

that being said i am pretty damn sure there is no peer-reviewed research that supports the idea that reading text is the best way to synthesize/retain information. i happen to love reading but the knee-jerk reaction from people who say "LOL IF YOU DON'T READ YOU ARE A BIG DUMB" kinda has no evidence to support the concept

i mean there are tons of very smart software developers that i know who make $$$$ and understand lots about math, physics, logic, and other scientific things that learn from webcasts, podcasts, MOOCs that use videos, and very little conventional text-based reading

common sense/logic would indicate that processing information is done in a myriad of ways and the very hard-lined theory that reading is by far the best way to get this information probably isn't true in all cases

anyway how did we get on this topic

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oh i forgot about The String Theory by DFW. anyone who isn't an idiot and likes sports should absolutely read this short story. it is awesome
I completely understand that different people learn differently and that people use many different modalities to absorb information.

I know many extremely smart people as well, and all were voracious readers as children. This doesn't mean only fiction or nonfiction, or that reading is the best way to get information. Maybe it's just the most accessible for children. Also, not all of them continue to read a lot. But it's near-universal in my experience that intelligent adults whose background I know devoured books as children. The converse is true as well, anybody that I have heard say "I've always hated reading" or something like that hasn't been very smart. Maybe it's just my experience and not a common thing.
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