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Old 03-27-2013, 12:03 PM   #56601
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fast and furious is a movie starring vin diesel
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Old 03-27-2013, 12:07 PM   #56602
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fast and furious is a movie starring vin diesel
I would argue that while Vin Diesel is the clear Star of The Fast and the Furious, by the time Fast and Furious was released, Paul Walker was clearly the headline name of the franchise. Notice how in scenes featuring both Diesel and Walker, your eye is drawn to Walker even if Diesel is the focal point of the scene.
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Old 03-27-2013, 12:13 PM   #56603
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so, I haven't followed this whole Amanda Knox thing. Who are we rooting for? What side is supported by good posters? henry? the astroturfer? Is this one of those matchups where we should be watching for the lols? Do we want both sides to lose? I need a lot of details.
Most (non-invested) people who have read a decent chunk of the thread are pretty confident she's actually guilty. I actually thought Henry's huge megapost(s) were pretty interesting reads.

To answer your actual question, though: the primary "appeal" of the thread is as a sociological artifact. One simply stands in many-hued awe at the walls of rippling text, pondering the unanswerable questions they pose about their constructors.
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Old 03-27-2013, 12:14 PM   #56604
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I would argue that while Vin Diesel is the clear Star of The Fast and the Furious, by the time Fast and Furious was released, Paul Walker was clearly the headline name of the franchise. Notice how in scenes featuring both Diesel and Walker, your eye is drawn to Walker even if Diesel is the focal point of the scene.
i dunno. the range vin diesel displays and his command performance as the emotionally withdrawn yet unfailingly loyal thief steals the show. even if you want to argue paul walker is the headline, and certainly some may argue this is in fact the case, diesel delivers such a powerhouse that it's harder to argue against him being the face of the franchise, much in the same way people remember dark knight for heath ledger
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Old 03-27-2013, 12:25 PM   #56605
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Despite his penchant for zealously refuting every minor assay lobbed his way, Henry's posting in the Knox thread is remarkably astute and valuable. One of the rare examples on this forum where I can imagine significant members of people actually being persuaded that what they thought they knew is incorrect. Without any exaggeration, he (or someone more TV-ready who can parrot his points) should be on CNN talking about the case.
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Old 03-27-2013, 12:37 PM   #56606
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It is super interesting RE: the astroturfing that is going on (or perceived astroturfing, I guess).
I agree, for me the most interesting thing is the motivations behind the posting. Why bother?* The trial has been over for what, a year? I realize there is news this week but from what little I've heard nothing will come of it.

* for the astroturfer the reason is obvious, but still seems weird. What is the point of attempting to sway public opinion at this juncture?** And what kind of ROI could be expected from the massive hours invested in arguing this? (Bear in mind most of us presumably post for sport, but in that person's case it's ostensibly a job.) For Henry, it's his obsession with being right, no matter how many words, posts, or pages it takes to get there. It's like a perfect storm.

** at a glance yesterday of the posts made in the thread by the astroturfer apparently it's been a couple of months since he/she last posted, but that was still well past the trial's outcome.
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Old 03-27-2013, 12:38 PM   #56607
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The Knox thread is super terrible? Hey, let's all talk about it in Sporting Events!
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Old 03-27-2013, 12:38 PM   #56608
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First you need to actually read those word bombs tho, ain't no one got time for that
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Old 03-27-2013, 12:42 PM   #56609
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I agree, for me the most interesting thing is the motivations behind the posting. Why bother?* The trial has been over for what, a year? I realize there is news this week but from what little I've heard nothing will come of it.

* for the astroturfer the reason is obvious, but still seems weird. What is the point of attempting to sway public opinion at this juncture?** And what kind of ROI could be expected from the massive hours invested in arguing this? (Bear in mind most of us presumably post for sport, but in that person's case it's ostensibly a job.) For Henry, it's his obsession with being right, no matter how many words, posts, or pages it takes to get there. It's like a perfect storm.

** at a glance yesterday of the posts made in the thread by the astroturfer apparently it's been a couple of months since he/she last posted, but that was still well past the trial's outcome.
A retrial was ordered after her previous conviction was overturned. She's very likely to be extradited and the original conviction to be upheld. I'm not sure if she will serve any more jail time, but the public perception of her is likely to shift dramatically.

My guess is she and her family were pretty devastated by the news.
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Old 03-27-2013, 12:43 PM   #56610
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Also, went to a fundraising breakfast at my old high school today. They're building a pool on campus, a pool which apparently is going to cost $1.5M. There's nothing but a grass field where it's going to be built so the cost seems pretty lol but whatever.

What's notable about this is that they currently own a large multi-pool campus a few miles away that they are selling for $6M. Unsurprisingly this detail didn't come up at the breakfast. Netting a $4.5M profit, they also have asstons of money in the bank, and they still want mine. I get why they're putting their hands out, it will be worth their time, but it's just not something I could see donating towards unless somehow I come into billions of dollars, quickly. Education costs are ridiculous. Reason number one trillion why I am glad to not have nor want children. This school costs 5X today what it did when I attended (yeah yeah it was a long time ago, lick my grundle).
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Old 03-27-2013, 12:44 PM   #56611
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A retrial was ordered after her previous conviction was overturned. She's very likely to be extradited and the original conviction to be upheld.
Oh. All I got was a blurb from a TV at the gym on HLN saying that the US was unlikely to extradite. Which although I'm hardly an extradition expert don't see why they should.
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Old 03-27-2013, 12:47 PM   #56612
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Our friendly felines were another animal that underwent testing during WWII as a military offensive. When the United States Office of Strategic Services, precursors of the C.I.A, wanted a way to guide bombs down on enemy ships, they turned to cats for the solution.
It was theorized that when dropped from a plane with a parachute, the cats’ natural disdain for water would instinctively force it to guide itself – and the bomb – to enemy decks.
Unfortunately the program never got past testing stages because the cats regularly passed out during the fall.
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Old 03-27-2013, 12:50 PM   #56613
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It isn't double jeopardy. Anyone who uses the term with respect to this case is an ignorant of the Italian system. I expect a lot of new agencies and talking heads to use the term but that is incorrect and looks really bad. The CNN morning person just did it and she looked like an idiot.

Further, that isn't how extradition works. Extradition is based simply on if the conviction is lawful under the legal system of the country with which you have a treaty. In this case that will be true. The State Department has been involved with this case since before she was arrested and they have made it clear that there is absolutely nothing for them to object to. As such there is no grounds to deny an extradition when she is eventually convicted and that conviction is endorsed by the SCC.
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Old 03-27-2013, 12:52 PM   #56614
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Also, went to a fundraising breakfast at my old high school today. They're building a pool on campus, a pool which apparently is going to cost $1.5M. There's nothing but a grass field where it's going to be built so the cost seems pretty lol but whatever.

What's notable about this is that they currently own a large multi-pool campus a few miles away that they are selling for $6M. Unsurprisingly this detail didn't come up at the breakfast. Netting a $4.5M profit, they also have asstons of money in the bank, and they still want mine. I get why they're putting their hands out, it will be worth their time, but it's just not something I could see donating towards unless somehow I come into billions of dollars, quickly. Education costs are ridiculous. Reason number one trillion why I am glad to not have nor want children. This school costs 5X today what it did when I attended (yeah yeah it was a long time ago, lick my grundle).
I too have the same conflict. Every now and then I get solicited by the University of Michigan to donate back to the University. I get the idea behind it. They gave me an education that has paid benefits to me.

But then I get to thinking.

You have a $7.8 BILLION Pile of cash. That isn't net worth. That isn't total assets. That is a pile of liquid cash. Why should I take my money and just tuck it somewhere to get lost in that pile of cash?
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Doesn't alumni donations affect the US News university rankings or am i imagining that?
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Rather than using bullets and munitions, Channon envisaged how this new force would attempt to first win the hearts and minds of the enemy by: using positive vibrations, carrying "symbolic animals" of peace—such as baby lambs—into hostile countries, greeting them with "sparkly eyes", and then gently place the lambs on the ground and give the enemy "an automatic hug". If these measures did not pacify the enemy, members would employ the use of unconventional but non-lethal weapons to subdue them.
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Old 03-27-2013, 01:02 PM   #56618
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Colonel James S. Ketchum dreamed of war without killing. He joined the Army in 1956 and left it in 1976, and in that time he did not fight in Vietnam; he did not invade the Bay of Pigs; he did not guard Western Europe with tanks, or help build nuclear launch sites beneath the Arctic ice. Instead, he became the military’s leading expert in a secret Cold War experiment: to fight enemies with clouds of psychochemicals that temporarily incapacitate the mind—causing, in the words of one ranking officer, a “selective malfunctioning of the human machine.”

For nearly a decade, Ketchum, a psychiatrist, went about his work in the belief that chemicals are more humane instruments of warfare than bullets and shrapnel—or, at least, he told himself such things. To achieve his dream, he worked tirelessly at a secluded Army research facility, testing chemical weapons on hundreds of healthy soldiers, and thinking all along that he was doing good.

Read more: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2...#ixzz2OlDEArY0
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Old 03-27-2013, 01:13 PM   #56619
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I too have the same conflict. Every now and then I get solicited by the University of Michigan to donate back to the University. I get the idea behind it. They gave me an education that has paid benefits to me.

But then I get to thinking.

You have a $7.8 BILLION Pile of cash. That isn't net worth. That isn't total assets. That is a pile of liquid cash. Why should I take my money and just tuck it somewhere to get lost in that pile of cash?
The endowment is not all held in cash. Its total assets.

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Doesn't alumni donations affect the US News university rankings or am i imagining that?
Yes. Plus, there is a large networking value to showing up on the list of donors for 5+ years, 10+ years, 20+ years, every year since graduation, etc. Oh yea, it also helps you get sporting event tickets should you ever want them. I make sure to give every year to Duke and Fuqua as well as paying alumni dues even if it is just a small amount.
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Old 03-27-2013, 01:15 PM   #56620
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I too have the same conflict. Every now and then I get solicited by the University of Michigan to donate back to the University. I get the idea behind it. They gave me an education that has paid benefits to me.

But then I get to thinking.

You have a $7.8 BILLION Pile of cash. That isn't net worth. That isn't total assets. That is a pile of liquid cash. Why should I take my money and just tuck it somewhere to get lost in that pile of cash?
Ha, seriously. Thanks for your money br0, we'll get around to spending it in a few decades.

Turns out that the guy sitting next to me runs the local First Tee program. Hadn't met him until today. Now there's a program that probably isn't sitting on piles of cash, but even if they had an excess I'm guessing it would be spent more judiciously, and in ways that I'm more sympathetic towards. So I pledged a donation to him instead of to my school (albeit not much, and the check may bounce, in which case hopefully it's the thought that counts...).
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The Knox thread is super terrible? Hey, let's all talk about it in Sporting Events!
What, can we not lol pog now either?
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Old 03-27-2013, 01:21 PM   #56622
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CDL, I guess what I meant by cash was liquid assets. The endowment of a university (afaik) is held in liquid or semi-liquid assets rather than long-term assets like land and buildings.
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so, I haven't followed this whole Amanda Knox thing. Who are we rooting for? What side is supported by good posters? henry? the astroturfer? Is this one of those matchups where we should be watching for the lols? Do we want both sides to lose? I need a lot of details.
def rooting for knox
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Bouncing checks to charity is unconscionably terrible, uless somehow you get sex out of it.

My wife just found out she can no longer pay her SAG union dues through an online credit card payment because so many people used invalid card numbers to game the system. WTF? How on earth would a multitude of people think to try that, and why wouldn't the union just spend $2 on a slightly more robust payment form.
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Old 03-27-2013, 01:28 PM   #56625
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CDL, I guess what I meant by cash was liquid assets. The endowment of a university (afaik) is held in liquid or semi-liquid assets rather than long-term assets like land and buildings.
Most institutional endowments are held in less liquid assets - how David Swenson was able to pwn so hard with Yale's endowment (copied heavily by most other big universities).
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