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Old 03-20-2013, 04:24 PM   #55701
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Re: SE FAQ, Liveblog & Bowling?

Geez, the **** that goes down in that forum after I stop reading it for the night.
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Old 03-20-2013, 04:25 PM   #55702
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perfect illustration of poor reading skillz
i know what you meant. i used the phrase "can be interpreted" intentionally. you chose your words poorly and picked an awful spot to express your thoughts. these are just about as important as content if you don't want to suck as a poster.
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Old 03-20-2013, 04:25 PM   #55703
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The point is that humans are astoundingly poor and unreliable judges, historically, for when other people "deserve" human rights and/or dignity. "Rape/murder" is just as arbitrary as anything else; I'm 100% sure there are actions outside of this category that you'd find (at least) as morally heinous as many actions within this category. The entire philosophy of "fundamental human rights and dignity" breaks down once you start selectively applying it based on your own principles.

Human respect/dignity and empathy are just as arbitrarily-defined as "rape" and "murder". Probably moreso.
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Old 03-20-2013, 04:28 PM   #55704
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re: SE FAQ, Liveblog & Things CDL Says Thread

I agree with what the boot has expressed on this issue.

Those who have never wronged someone should feel ok with judging others. Everything is on a spectrum. Unless you have never wronged someone else there are people who have wronged others less than you in your life. Just because they have made better or worse decisions than you does not make them a better or worse person. I think we (all people) struggle to separate the person from the decision. You can deplore their actions and decisions without hating them as a person or thinking that they should be treated any worse or respected any less than you are by the rest of society.

For me it comes down to the idea that I shouldn't think I am any better than someone else so I do my best not to judge people, but rather evaluate their decison making and figure out how society can best deal with people who have made horrible decisions (or in lots of cases just one horrible one or a few minor ones). I think that punishments are the wrong way to do things and that someone who is likely to contribute positively to society going forward should be treated differently than someone who is likely to be a drag on society. The problem lies in how to best measure societal contribution and judge future probabilites. If there was any reliable method to do this I would be ok letting some murderers walk and giving 20 years to someone who shoplifts once. However, there isn't and never will be so the best we can do it punish people for crimes with a weighting on past character. We can still judge their actions rather than them and should strive for that, in my opinion.
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Old 03-20-2013, 04:32 PM   #55705
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who's worse, sandusky or madoff?
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Old 03-20-2013, 04:34 PM   #55706
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Paterno!
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Old 03-20-2013, 04:39 PM   #55707
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who's worse, sandusky or madoff?
sandusky made worse decisions that hurt people more deeply on a personal basis

madoff made decisions that radically altered the life of more people, but on a more superficial and less permanent level
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Old 03-20-2013, 04:40 PM   #55708
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So what's your answer CDL?
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Old 03-20-2013, 04:41 PM   #55709
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Old 03-20-2013, 04:43 PM   #55710
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So what's your answer CDL?
if you read my argument above you would know that I dont think either is necessarily a bad person and if they were I would have no way of knowing. I do know that they both made really really terrible decisions.
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Old 03-20-2013, 04:52 PM   #55711
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did you get a hearing or something?
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did you actually get to argue your case? or was it just a "make sure the police officer shows up" type deal?
Yeah I got a hearing. The "judge" looked like the guy in Ray Horton's avatar. I probably didn't play my cards right. I had the option of making the police officer show up, but after waiting for a while, I didn't feel like coming back another day and waiting again. As far as arguing my case, my "case" was basically that the law is ******ed. I basically admitted to lying on the seat, just tried to tell the judge that I didn't realize it was against the law, was cooperative with the police officer, remorseful, etc. They make you swear in. I was under oath, so I didn't want to lie. There was an American flag in this guy's ****ty office, this was serious business. I also told him the cop told me these things get reduced/thrown out, which I why I kinda was tempted to make the cop show up, but I'm sure he could have just lied about it.

Eh whatever, lesson learned
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Old 03-20-2013, 04:52 PM   #55712
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if you read my argument above you would know that I dont think either is necessarily a bad person and if they were I would have no way of knowing. I do know that they both made really really terrible decisions.
rape one little boy fool me once, rape 50 little boys..well
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Old 03-20-2013, 04:53 PM   #55713
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ITT we learn Jerry Sandusky is not a bad person.

WHAT THE **** HAPPENED TO SE
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Old 03-20-2013, 04:55 PM   #55714
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ITT we learn Jerry Sandusky is not a bad person.

WHAT THE **** HAPPENED TO SE
he isnt a good person either. I dont believe in classifying people into good or bad people. evaluate solely the decisions. he is a bad decision maker and I would not trust him. In fact, I don't have anything positive to say about him at all.
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Old 03-20-2013, 04:56 PM   #55715
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i know what you meant.
Clearly

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i used the phrase "can be interpreted" intentionally.
GJGE

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you chose your words poorly and picked an awful spot to express your thoughts.
Wrong on both counts. You won't be able to find any substantively poorly chosen words and obviously the point was apropos.

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these are just about as important as content if you don't want to suck as a poster.
I think I'll take your advice with the grain of salt it warrants.
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Old 03-20-2013, 04:57 PM   #55716
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sandusky made worse decisions that hurt people more deeply on a personal basis

madoff made decisions that radically altered the life of more people, but on a more superficial and less permanent level
actually a lot of people committed suicide cause of him
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Old 03-20-2013, 04:57 PM   #55717
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if you read my argument above you would know that I dont think either is necessarily a bad person and if they were I would have no way of knowing. I do know that they both made really really terrible decisions.
Back to POG with you until you learn how to...think.
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Old 03-20-2013, 04:58 PM   #55718
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actually a lot of people committed suicide cause of him
committing suicide was not a choice madoff made. it was a choice his victims made. he can be held responsible for ruining their finances, but not their decision to take their own life. they are responsible for that one.
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Old 03-20-2013, 05:00 PM   #55719
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Back to POG with you until you learn how to...think.
chilltown, what makes someone a bad person rather than a person who makes decisions that societal morals deem inappropriate?
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Old 03-20-2013, 05:00 PM   #55720
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he isnt a good person either. I dont believe in classifying people into good or bad people. evaluate solely the decisions. he is a bad decision maker and I would not trust him. In fact, I don't have anything positive to say about him at all.
yeah he was just poor at deciding to not rape kids
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Old 03-20-2013, 05:02 PM   #55721
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nfl gets rid of tuq rule
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Old 03-20-2013, 05:02 PM   #55722
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committing suicide was not a choice madoff made. it was a choice his victims made. he can be held responsible for ruining their finances, but not their decision to take their own life. they are responsible for that one.
totally disagree
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Old 03-20-2013, 05:02 PM   #55723
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1. good people can do bad things
2. do enough bad things and you are a bad person

sucks he was attracted to kids but jerk off at home or something buddy. not that pedo porn is ok
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Old 03-20-2013, 05:03 PM   #55724
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chilltown, what makes someone a bad person rather than a person who makes decisions that societal morals deem inappropriate?
I think you answered your own question.

But another answer could be: common sense.
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Old 03-20-2013, 05:08 PM   #55725
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nfl gets rid of tuq rule
That's ok. The eponymous rule and its most famous implementation led to the greatest field goal in postseason history and birthed a legendary career at the same time. My work here is done.
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