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Old 02-16-2013, 04:00 PM   #51751
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dkjoe pm'ed me to ask for this threads title to be changed.

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Old 02-16-2013, 04:02 PM   #51752
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Re: SE FAQ, Liveblog and White Folks Discuss The Wire Again

I don't think the NFL cares that much about having variance fests in the playoffs, I think the point of single elimination games in the NFL is to help prevent the players from dying and keep the league going, since having a 7 game series in a short time frame isn't realistic at all due to how physical the sport is. If it were possible, I think the league would be all over it for obvious rea$on$.

Definitely prefer any playoff format where the best team wins the vast majority of the time though.
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Old 02-16-2013, 04:07 PM   #51753
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I don't think the NFL cares that much about having variance fests in the playoffs, I think the point of single elimination games in the NFL is to help prevent the players from dying and keep the league going, since having a 7 game series in a short time frame isn't realistic at all due to how physical the sport is. If it were possible, I think the league would be all over it for obvious rea$on$.

Definitely prefer any playoff format where the best team wins the vast majority of the time though.
Agree with both for the most part, my only caveat to the second is that I prefer that when the teams are close. In any game/sport/whatever where the disparity is large, lack or variance goes hand in hand with lack of interest for me.
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Old 02-16-2013, 04:14 PM   #51754
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yea, i don't think fantasy moves the #s much
oh u wrong. big time wrong.
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Old 02-16-2013, 04:19 PM   #51755
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lol

i asked what #s were and got one response indicating they were still prettay good in the early 2000s before ff blew up which confirmed suspicions, but am always open to hear better info
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Old 02-16-2013, 04:21 PM   #51756
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5. competitive balance, driven by hard salary caps and TV revenue sharing
This keeps fans of teams in markets that have multiple down years interested in the league, coming to games, and renewing season tickets. Does that happen in the NBA?
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Old 02-16-2013, 04:29 PM   #51757
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I think any sports fan not taking advantage of watching Lebron at his current level of play is missing out.

He's at one of those historic levels, like when people talk about 'I remember watching Jordan at his peak', etc. I'm obviously super-biased but I think watching Lebron's current quality of basketball >> anything else in sports
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Old 02-16-2013, 04:29 PM   #51758
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lol

i asked what #s were and got one response indicating they were still prettay good in the early 2000s before ff blew up which confirmed suspicions, but am always open to hear better info
what numbers? i dont see them. and what were they measuring?

i just rescrolled the thread and didnt find any links indicating any "numbers."
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Old 02-16-2013, 04:37 PM   #51759
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is Prison Break worth getting into?
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Old 02-16-2013, 04:39 PM   #51760
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This keeps fans of teams in markets that have multiple down years interested in the league, coming to games, and renewing season tickets. Does that happen in the NBA?
Probably not but this could be balanced by:
1. Fans in the market of the team that keeps on winning buying more tickets, gaining more fans in that market
2. Fans in the losing market switching to fans of the winning teams, or hating those teams. Either way they are watching.
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Old 02-16-2013, 04:42 PM   #51761
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is Prison Break worth getting into?
no, you can definitely find something more worth your time.

like Avatar: The Last Airbender, for example.
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Old 02-16-2013, 04:43 PM   #51762
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is Prison Break worth getting into?
Nah noze dive after s1.

I think I might try out Fringe.

I gather it is about one level below Lost.
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Old 02-16-2013, 05:04 PM   #51763
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nfl was thinking about 18 games iirc to make more money.

double elimination before the super bowl would def make conference rivalrys more elite but drama would take a huge hit. never changing obv.
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Old 02-16-2013, 05:08 PM   #51764
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re: NBA

i was super into it when there was a team nearby (even tho they sucked), find it impossible to care now that there's not. the same isn't true for the NFL, i can get into it and watch a lot of games without really having a team. watch some NBA, but almost never watch a full regular season game from start to finish (like years go by without this happening). why? idk, like others have said...

- the stop-start manner of the game with free throws, timeouts, commercials, etc. yes football is like that too, but between plays there's a whole lot more going on than during NBA stoppages. a million TO's at the end isn't exciting (i've argued in the past that there shouldn't be more TO's than TV breaks required). games ending with free throw shooting contests isn't exciting.
- also officiating bias is a problem, it's gotten better i think, but the star players/big teams getting more than their share of calls is annoying. throw in flopping, etc here.
- and yes, there is a difference in intensity from the regular season to postseason. idk why ppl are denying this, it's true of most sports i think. hockey is the same, baseball might even be the same.
- probably something about the NBA season overlapping with the NHL, and i prefer the latter. it's hard to be super into both, unless maybe you mostly just follow your teams. just way more likely to watch a random NHL game than NBA.
- don't really care about the good players rigging their way to super teams, like i said earlier, had a great time living and dying with one of the WOAT teams (very little exaggeration, if any). but yeah, i def see how following a team that is like 8th best in the league with less than 1% RANG equity would drive ppl away. i might have gotten to that point eventually.

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Old 02-16-2013, 05:29 PM   #51765
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RT, looking for a little charity, eh? Can't compete if you allow people to do what they want, so force them to play in your ****hole part of the country. Cuz you know 7 years of someone's career is not enough, need to make them play their whole career there or else charity case RT is going to cry about it.
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Old 02-16-2013, 06:07 PM   #51766
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RT, looking for a little charity, eh? Can't compete if you allow people to do what they want, so force them to play in your ****hole part of the country. Cuz you know 7 years of someone's career is not enough, need to make them play their whole career there or else charity case RT is going to cry about it.
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Old 02-16-2013, 06:08 PM   #51767
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i think the first part was a rounders quote but i got lost after that.
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Old 02-16-2013, 06:13 PM   #51768
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You clearly have a problem with Labron and the fact that most professional athletes would want to play in a handful of cities if it was up to them. The NBA restricts player movement greatly but that is not enough for you.
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Old 02-16-2013, 06:14 PM   #51769
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I think he thinks I'm against free agency or something.
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Old 02-16-2013, 06:17 PM   #51770
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You clearly have a problem with Labron and the fact that most professional athletes would play in a handful of cities if it was up to them. NBA restricts player movement greatly but that is not enough for you.
No, I said I think LeBron (and probably several other NBA players) are UNDERPAID.

Having a hard cap with no player restrictions can help alleviate the ability of markets to put together super teams as well as help individual players get their true value (or closer to it).

There are problems with that too though. Namely, players can still take paycuts and circumvent the system and the lack of incentive to stay with current teams (via bird rights or the current extra money in max deals) may cost small-market teams marquee players and harm their appeal.

So no, I don't hate LeBron or the players and no, I don't think anyone should be forced to play in a city they don't want to. No idea where you would've got that from but by all means, keep inferring whatever you like.
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Old 02-16-2013, 06:26 PM   #51771
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So where do you get off saying the NBA and them catering to their stupid fans are responsible for these super teams? Super teams are the natural course of things, most players are going to want to be in certain cities. I can adjust my enjoyment of the sport around their life preferences, not the other way around.
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Old 02-16-2013, 06:33 PM   #51772
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So where do you get off saying the NBA and them catering to their stupid fans are responsible for these super teams?
I'm not blaming the NBA, I'm blaming their stupid fans, that's different. And I'm not blaming them for super-teams being in existence, I'm blaming them for liking them for some reason.

I said the NBA can possibly adjust the rules/mechanics of the game to lessen the edge the superstars have over the field but that's a separate issue.

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Super teams are the natural course of things, most players are going to want to be in certain cities.
Do you have, like, any proof of this? The NFL doesn't have super teams, and the closest to them over the past decade were in: The frigid Northeast, equally friged Wisconsin, and a cornfield in the Midwest. Seems pretty clear that the set-up of the leagues and the sports themselves allow or disallow for super-teams.

I can't prove it, but I'm guessing if DWade was in OKC when LeBron and Bosh were FAs, all else being equal, LeBron takes his talents to the Great Plains.

Of course, that's still irrelevant to the point: People that like super teams need to go ice fishing and fall in.
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Old 02-16-2013, 06:53 PM   #51773
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Right, because the NFL does not restrict player movement. A team can literally force a player to stay on their team for their entire career if they want and rookie contracts make up very significant percentage of the career of a player, often including their prime (other than QBs, who get franchised). And to the extent it is about more than player restriction, it is a function of talent evaluation being tougher in the NFL.

Anyway what is wrong with super teams? More talent on the floor = more exciting product. And interesting to see how great players work together and hypotheticals about fit play out, see Miami's first year and the Lakers falling on their face this year. Oh, now Cleveland sucks, okay, I'll watch one less team's games, problem solved. Boy that was a tough one to figure out. Oh, now they got Kyrie, cool, I'll check them out.

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Old 02-16-2013, 07:45 PM   #51774
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Right, because the NFL does not restrict player movement. A team can literally force a player to stay on their team for their entire career if they want and rookie contracts make up very significant percentage of the career of a player, often including their prime (other than QBs, who get franchised). And to the extent it is about more than player restriction, it is a function of talent evaluation being tougher in the NFL.
Everything in this part is wrong. The NFL doesn't control players beyond 5 years. (4 year Rookie deal for top picks and 1 franchise year after which the cost is too great in almost all cases).

Teams can't "force players to stay on their teams for their entire career if they want". No idea where you came up with that. The NFL isn't 1940s baseball with a reserve clause.

Edit: I think you're trying to be cute here and say "Well NFL players' careers only avg. 3 years, but that's immaterial since we're talking about superstars who's careers are much longer.
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Anyway what is wrong with super teams?

Super teams are boring. I know LeBron is a great player, so watching him trounce the Raptors by 30 doesn't give me anything I didn't already have. Watching him go against a great defender more often is more fun for me.

Sports are entertainment. The outcome of any contest becomes less fun the closer to certain the outcome is.

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More talent on the floor = more exciting product.
You don't get "more talent on the floor" by combining it on fewer teams. That leaves all the other teams (and their floors) talentless.

Then you may end up with a team, let's say Cleveland, sucking. Bet you never thought of that...

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Oh, now Cleveland sucks, okay, I'll watch one less team's games, problem solved. Boy that was a tough one to figure out.
Well ****, you did. I can clearly see you're brimming with business acumen. Your "**** those other teams, if no one watches them, who gives a ****" approach to sports promotion is rock solid.*

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Oh, now they got Kyrie, cool, I'll check them out.
Which, ya know, is an argument for spreading talent around. LeBron going back to pair with Kyrie in 2015>>>>him staying in MIA. Kyrie/LeBron vs. DWade/Bosh is much better than Kyrie vs. LeBron/DWade/Bosh.

*The irony here is that I actually agree with your horrible, horrible idea from a business standpoint. The NBA's fans or so dumb they actually prefer MIA beating up on vastly inferior teams to more even competition. Plenty of room on the ice fellas, head on out there.
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Old 02-16-2013, 07:50 PM   #51775
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On the topic of LeBron, dude gets it (re: RANGZ!!!):

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“That’s his own opinion,” James said of Jordan’s comments. “At the end of the day, rings don’t always define someone’s career. If that was the case, then I would sit up here and say I would take (Celtics legend Bill) Russell over Jordan. I wouldn’t. I wouldn’t take Russell over Jordan. Russell has 11 rings, Jordan has six. Take, I don’t know, Robert Horry over Kobe. I wouldn’t do that. It’s your own personal opinion. Rings do not define a person’s career….

“You look at a guy (Jordan era Bulls backup) Jud Buechler, he has multiple rings, Charles Barkley does not have one ring. He’s not better than Charles Barkley. Patrick Ewing is one of the greatest of all time, Reggie Miller is one of the greatest of all time. Sometimes it’s about the situation you’re in, the team you’re in and it’s about timing as well.”
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