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Old 02-14-2013, 02:45 PM   #51426
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i can see why ppl would be bothered by ziggy and consider him poorly constructed, contrived and annoying. i just thought he was pretty damn funny.

dunno why i dont like mouzone. just rubbed me the wrong way. like he was some sort of unrealistic super hero type. seemed out of place on the show.

ziggy, otoh, some dumb semi-coddled wannabe gangsta seemed perfect.
while i fully agree he is a well constructed, believable character-- i completely hate him. i just can't watch shows where characters are given a million chances and make terrible decisions. i get so ****ing mad. it's not like a little thing here or there, it's like terrible life or death decisions over and over again. i can't help but just hate characters like that, especially when his actions have such consequences for his cousin and uncle. also, they never really give much backstory into why he is how he is-- it's possible that would have helped.

on the other hand i think mouzzone is incredible for all the reasons already mentioned.

do i respect that ziggy is a "more believable" character? sure. does it change my viewpoint watching the show? not really, i still just want ziggy to be no where near the show and more of mouzzone.
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Old 02-14-2013, 02:51 PM   #51427
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based on basically nothing i would say ziggy is one of the principle reasons s2 is regarded as the worst
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Old 02-14-2013, 02:52 PM   #51428
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haha, pretty amazing how they somehow reconcile being this baller couple who has it all figured out with arguing various topics to death on the internet with randoms and shills. Apparently they don't realize it's not a good look.
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Old 02-14-2013, 03:06 PM   #51429
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Exactly why zeestein knows more. I mean Marlo is responsible for YOU WANT IT TO BE ONE WAY being posted like 1000 times here and has moar swag than anyone, obviously he rides off into the sunset like the badass he is, and isn't going to get fleeced by those tricky businessman the way Stringer did. He's just too smart for that, and there's nothing in the show to suggest that the cycle is going to repeat itself or anything, or that he's lost the one thing he really cared about.
lol @ comparing stringer to marlo, marlo proved himself smarter and harder many times over, lololds

the game is the game, there will be new crowns

marlo is no longer in the game, i don't see the emptiness behind his final scene that should be there if it was your way. more a joie di vive bro
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Old 02-14-2013, 03:11 PM   #51430
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lol @ comparing stringer to marlo
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marlo is stringer but, parapharasing avon, "smart enough for them out there and hard enough for them here"
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Old 02-14-2013, 03:14 PM   #51431
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based on basically nothing i would say ziggy is one of the principle reasons s2 is regarded as the worst
the principle reason is that the street characters lose screen time. street had all of the GOATs
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Old 02-14-2013, 03:18 PM   #51432
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based on basically nothing i would say ziggy is one of the principle reasons s2 is regarded as the worst
really? the beginning is slow, but eventually the frank sobotka character really shines through. i thought s5 was the worst (not to say it was bad, though).
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Old 02-14-2013, 03:20 PM   #51433
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In the most ridiculous news story of the day, some Russian nutbag blames the gays for the ban on Olympic wrestling



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Banning the sport where men in spandex wrestle around with each other on a big mattress is a huge huge blow to heterosexuality and masculinity!
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Old 02-14-2013, 03:24 PM   #51434
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the principle reason is that the street characters lose screen time. street had all of the GOATs
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Old 02-14-2013, 03:32 PM   #51435
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Banning the sport where men in spandex wrestle around with each other on a big mattress is a huge huge blow to heterosexuality and masculinity!
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Old 02-14-2013, 03:41 PM   #51436
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Old 02-14-2013, 03:58 PM   #51437
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Well when OOT's resident power couple decides to pull out a magnum of Ace of Spades and fire up the laptops for a long night of arguing, things tend to go to ****.
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Old 02-14-2013, 04:03 PM   #51438
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I haven't done the math, but I'm guessing 90+% of her posts are in the Am.anda K.nox thread, so no
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Old 02-14-2013, 04:07 PM   #51439
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The point of Marlo's final scene is that he can't walk away from the game as he knows it. He can't give up the street to become a legitimate businessman. When Marlo kills prop Joe, Joe offers to leave Baltimore and never come back. Marlo says something like, "you know you'd be right back here in a month." That's Marlo. He'll be in jail within a year, but he can't help himself.
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Old 02-14-2013, 04:14 PM   #51440
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The point of Marlo's final scene is that he can't walk away from the game as he knows it. He can't give up the street to become a legitimate businessman. When Marlo kills prop Joe, Joe offers to leave Baltimore and never come back. Marlo says something like, "you know you'd be right back here in a month." That's Marlo. He'll be in jail within a year, but he can't help himself.
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Old 02-14-2013, 04:22 PM   #51441
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based on basically nothing i would say ziggy is one of the principle reasons s2 is regarded as the worst
I don't think s2 is generally regarded as the worst by people who have seen the show multiple times.
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Old 02-14-2013, 04:29 PM   #51442
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Pretty sure far more hardcore viewers regard s2 as above series average than below.
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Old 02-14-2013, 04:30 PM   #51443
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Old 02-14-2013, 04:35 PM   #51444
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while i fully agree he is a well constructed, believable character-- i completely hate him. i just can't watch shows where characters are given a million chances and make terrible decisions. i get so ****ing mad. it's not like a little thing here or there, it's like terrible life or death decisions over and over again. i can't help but just hate characters like that, especially when his actions have such consequences for his cousin and uncle. also, they never really give much backstory into why he is how he is-- it's possible that would have helped.

on the other hand i think mouzzone is incredible for all the reasons already mentioned.

do i respect that ziggy is a "more believable" character? sure. does it change my viewpoint watching the show? not really, i still just want ziggy to be no where near the show and more of mouzzone.
i dunno, it seems pretty obv why he is how he is. hes been a ****up his whole life and hasnt had much accountability bc hes been protected and taken care of by his respected family. everyone loves and respects his dad and uncle and tolerates him only bc of this. he wants to make a name for himself and prove to everyone, not the least of whom his father, that he can be competent, useful, smart and enterprising.

also, there are undertones that while he father provided and gave as much attention as he could to ziggy, it wasnt enough due to how overwhelming his role on the docks was.
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Old 02-14-2013, 04:49 PM   #51445
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Pretty sure far more hardcore viewers regard s2 as above series average than below.
Yeah. Season 2 and characters that aren't on the street definitely get underrated by casual fan. Omar=Kobe. Really f'ing good, but still overrated.

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Old 02-14-2013, 04:53 PM   #51446
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lol at s2 being the worst.
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Old 02-14-2013, 04:54 PM   #51447
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Wire GOAT show but Deadwood S3 > any Wire season
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Old 02-14-2013, 05:07 PM   #51448
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Yeah. Season 2 and characters that aren't on the street definitely get underrated by casual fan. Omar=Kobe. Really f'ing good, but still overrated.
throw in my Mouzone love, and it sounds like I'm officially a casualfan of the wire. i'm okay with that tho

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Old 02-14-2013, 05:12 PM   #51449
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yeah i don't get the hate on s2. really liked sobotka, he's totally crooked but he does it for the best interests of the union/his workers instead of lining his own pockets. nice little conflict.
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Old 02-14-2013, 05:23 PM   #51450
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Season 2 was weak, but did feature Nick's girlfriends tits. So there's that.
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