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Old 12-14-2012, 11:01 PM   #43551
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Just catching up on all this.

nutshot. Can't imagine dude.

Just disgusting all around as has obv been stated many times. I agree the kids being interviewed part was especially wtf.
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Old 12-14-2012, 11:01 PM   #43552
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but theyre ****ing willing to die. the incentives are not aligned here. If you banned someone from posting in NFL gameday threads for 2 days for bad posting it doesnt discourage them from posting poorly in a MNF thread. Killing them doesnt disincentivize their actions when theyre gonna do it themselves.
the idea is that you could merk the guy when he starts shooting instead of letting him kill 30 people before offing himself
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Old 12-14-2012, 11:02 PM   #43553
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Crazy people gonna Crazy.
crazy people without guns probably do less damage. from what little I know its not as easy to get stuff to make bombs or detonate them correctly and it also seems like it would take some time to build and lots and lots more tools and research. if you have a knife or something then you can be overcome by brute force or at least by a couple people with bats or vice versa. hand to hand combat just isnt that deadly.
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Old 12-14-2012, 11:04 PM   #43554
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the idea is that you could merk the guy when he starts shooting instead of letting him kill 30 people before offing himself
I can just imagine someone shooting into a crowd and 30 people pulling guns to fire back and then 100 more people pulling guns and shooting all the others with guns out because they dont know who the real killer actually is.
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Old 12-14-2012, 11:04 PM   #43555
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also, I think one point that massively hurts the argument in favor of guns and arming citizens is that pretty much every one of these stories ends in a suicide. How does threatening someone with death scare someone who plans to put a bullet in their own head less than 10 minutes later? why would I be scared to attack someone who might have a gun if I'm dying no matter what?
The obvious counter is that these events, in the grand scheme things, are rare. The amount of deaths in this event are about two weekends in the summer in Chicago. Planning your entire gun policy around this event misses the forest for a tree.
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Old 12-14-2012, 11:04 PM   #43556
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doesn't Chicago have pretty strict gun laws?
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Old 12-14-2012, 11:05 PM   #43557
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maybe we can get rmthawk in here to discuss the orioles or thedean to talk about his buddy's pua business again
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Old 12-14-2012, 11:06 PM   #43558
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the idea is that you could merk the guy when he starts shooting instead of letting him kill 30 people before offing himself
Or you could have untrained people using firearms and adding crossfire to an already dangerous situation. Just like most problems, this one has a ton of things to consider, neither the "Allow every gun and arm first graders" nor the "Take all guns away" side wants to acknowledge that though.
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Old 12-14-2012, 11:07 PM   #43559
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key is negging them first so they know you don't put pussy on a pedestal

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Old 12-14-2012, 11:08 PM   #43560
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The obvious counter is that these events, in the grand scheme things, are rare. The amount of deaths in this event are about two weekends in the summer in Chicago. Planning your entire gun policy around this event misses the forest for a tree.
A gross thought, but also really accurate.
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Old 12-14-2012, 11:12 PM   #43561
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on a different note. one thing that the teachers accounts are reporting with consistency is that they got all the children together in a corner and kept them calm. Is having them together really the best way to react in these tragic situations? My gut instinct when I heard of it this morning was to think of how I would handle it as a teacher (ideally) which would be to tell them to spread out, flip their desks over and hide behind them, be quiet, and try to jam the door with a bookcase and desk myself. it seems like putting them together would pile up the body count in the event the murdered enters that room with the intent to keep killing.
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Old 12-14-2012, 11:15 PM   #43562
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on a different note. one thing that the teachers accounts are reporting with consistency is that they got all the children together in a corner and kept them calm. Is having them together really the best way to react in these tragic situations? My gut instinct when I heard of it this morning was to think of how I would handle it as a teacher (ideally) which would be to tell them to spread out, flip their desks over and hide behind them, be quiet, and try to jam the door with a bookcase and desk myself. it seems like putting them together would pile up the body count in the event the murdered enters that room with the intent to keep killing.
Why not just have the best speaker in the group try and talk the gunman down? Surely he'd listen to reason.
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Old 12-14-2012, 11:16 PM   #43563
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Why not just have the best speaker in the group try and talk the gunman down? Surely he'd listen to reason.
I dont get this post. Isn't it just asking for more deaths to have them huddled together?
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Old 12-14-2012, 11:20 PM   #43564
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You don't get sarcasm lmao
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Old 12-14-2012, 11:21 PM   #43565
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I don't always read gun control debates, but when I do, it's in the sports section of a poker website
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Man this thread blew up.

My wife's grandma would probably be dead right now if not for her gun (or the threat of her gun). A couple years ago when she was 80 some guy broke into her house while she was home. He got into the back door which was her laundry room. The door between the laundry room and kitchen was a cheap wood panel door that was closed but not locked. She had seen this guy peeping the neighbors' house so she was kind of ready. Anyway she heard him on the other side of the door and called out "you come through this 2nd door imma shoot ya" and he left.

She does have a gun but isn't mobile enough to get it in time and her hands are so gnarly that she couldn't shoot it at all. She's an East Texas woman though so she's kind of a badass.

If he came into her house he could have just pushed her over and her neck and/or hip probably would have broken (again) and she may have been left to die while he robbed her. She lives alone pretty far away from the rest of the family.
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Old 12-14-2012, 11:21 PM   #43566
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I dont get this post. Isn't it just asking for more deaths to have them huddled together?
Sure but it's a funny thing, when people are scared, they'd sometimes react sub-optimally (especially if they've had zero training in the area). It's human nature in that situation to hide, it's not human nature for a 1st grade teacher and a bunch of 8 year olds to start figuring out the best way to make a desk fort immediately after hearing gunshots in their elementary school.
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Old 12-14-2012, 11:27 PM   #43567
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Sure but it's a funny thing, when people are scared, they'd sometimes react sub-optimally (especially if they've had zero training in the area). It's human nature in that situation to hide, it's not human nature for a 1st grade teacher and a bunch of 8 year olds to start figuring out the best way to make a desk fort immediately after hearing gunshots in their elementary school.
But from the interviews I have heard the teachers cited that they "huddled the students together as they had done in drills" which seems to insinuate that they are practicing this type of thing and have decided that it is better to have everyone together than to space them out. These drills are presumably created by people in power when there was no sense or urgency and logical thought could prevail.

One teacher mentioned that after she got them all in the corner she read to them which takes some crazy presence of mind and calmness. I respect that a lot. I only question the strategy.
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Old 12-14-2012, 11:31 PM   #43568
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But from the interviews I have heard the teachers cited that they "huddled the students together as they had done in drills" which seems to insinuate that they are practicing this type of thing and have decided that it is better to have everyone together than to space them out. These drills are presumably created by people in power when there was no sense or urgency and logical thought could prevail.
Did they say what the drills were for? I assume most schools don't have a "in case of shooting" drill and more of a "generalized lock down/threat" drill. It's probably best to find a better way to "house" the kids in that spot, but in reality it likely doesn't matter. If you can't get them out of the school, they're still pinned in a confined room.
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Old 12-14-2012, 11:34 PM   #43569
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They probably locked the door and then huddled them in the corner so that they couldn't be seen by someone looking through the window of the door
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Old 12-14-2012, 11:35 PM   #43570
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Did they say what the drills were for? I assume most schools don't have a "in case of shooting" drill and more of a "generalized lock down/threat" drill. It's probably best to find a better way to "house" the kids in that spot, but in reality it likely doesn't matter. If you can't get them out of the school, they're still pinned in a confined room.
I agree in general, but it takes a lot longer to spray a whole room than shoot at a confined space so maybe he gets to one fewer classroom before the cops get there. I mean, they did atomic bomb drills in schools back in the day and those drills wouldn't actually protect them if a bomb was dropped. I'd think we could at least have drills that may provide more protection even if its minimal.
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Old 12-14-2012, 11:38 PM   #43571
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pretty sure that the punishments for drugs and alcohol would deter more people if they were higher.
We have plenty of evidence at this point that they don't.
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Old 12-14-2012, 11:41 PM   #43572
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We have plenty of evidence at this point that they don't.
really? if youre a casual drug user you wouldnt stop if the first instance was the death penalty?

I dont think we have any evidence of this because I dont think it ever has or ever will be tried.

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Old 12-14-2012, 11:50 PM   #43573
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yes, if you gave people the electric chair for every petty crime it would go down.
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Old 12-14-2012, 11:50 PM   #43574
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The penalties for drug use and possession (and enforcement thereof) have become increasingly draconian over the years in many instances. It hasn't reduced drug use, only created prisoners.

Would that change if the penalties were that extreme? I mean, drug use is probably low in Singapore, but you have to eradicate the supply, too, and the drug war isn't really interested in that so much as in making sure the right people profit.
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Old 12-15-2012, 12:03 AM   #43575
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Alright, need to catch up on The Challenge.

I've done my part to ruin this thread today, carry on.
pretty disappointing episode frank is such a tool. next week should be good though.

dkgo video "do you see it anymore? because i don't."

lol what a bunch of wasted reading the last 4 pages were. tuq dnh and phildo tho
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