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Old 11-26-2012, 04:07 AM   #41226
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:02 AM   #41227
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:05 AM   #41228
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:12 AM   #41229
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:35 AM   #41230
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he was just trolling iggy after his favorite team won on a saturday night (intoxication highly likely). also it was funny.
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:54 AM   #41231
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they've lost either 2 or 3 games out of 10 so far because he doesn't have a qb sneak with CAM in the playbook
I love that the super rational, smart gamblers itt act as if Rivera cost them three games. When in realityt i doubt those decisions have added up to even one game in equity.
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:55 AM   #41232
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Yeah I don't think you watched the games.
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:58 AM   #41233
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The most troubling thing about Yeota's not funny, racist drunken antics is that he's going to need to start rooting for Asians when they become the dominant race in 2017.
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Old 11-26-2012, 12:05 PM   #41234
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Yeah I don't think you watched the games.
Going off memory here
Vs Atl
4th and 1 at midfield up 1 with 50 seconds left and atl has no timeouts. Even if you convert the sneak 100%, which you don't, i doubt punting loses you more than 0.1 in WP.

Vs TB.
Similar situation except tb is down 8 and needs a 2pc and to win in OT.
Cant imagine tb has anymore than 0.02 in WP.

The third one i forget.
They were all bad decisions, but saying that those decisions cost them three games is as stupid and anti math as the coaches saying "we had to trust our defense"
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Old 11-26-2012, 12:10 PM   #41235
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I never said Mexican Chilly cost them 2 or 3 games of equity. I said they lost 2 or 3 games as a result of his 4th and 1 ******ery.
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Old 11-26-2012, 12:13 PM   #41236
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I never said Mexican Chilly cost them 2 or 3 games of equity. I said they lost 2 or 3 games as a result of his 4th and 1 ******ery.
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Old 11-26-2012, 12:54 PM   #41237
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They were all bad decisions, but saying that those decisions cost them three games is as stupid and anti math as the coaches saying "we had to trust our defense"
yeah

dkgo mr fig was struggling with this concept iirc
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Old 11-26-2012, 12:58 PM   #41238
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they absolutely costed 3+ games and your win estimates are awful, especially when you know he is sending out a defense that gives up huge pass plays in the fourth quarter with great regularity
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Old 11-26-2012, 01:00 PM   #41239
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^lol derp
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Old 11-26-2012, 01:00 PM   #41240
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I never said Mexican Chilly cost them 2 or 3 games of equity. I said they lost 2 or 3 games as a result of his 4th and 1 ******ery.
This is Bob from Matthews, and that last caller, Riverman, sort of stole my point about Rivera, he's just got no guts at all, Cam Newton's got no brains at all, and it takes more than speed and a great arm to win football games.
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Old 11-26-2012, 01:01 PM   #41241
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proof offered:

http://www.nfl.com/standings
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Old 11-26-2012, 01:02 PM   #41242
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the woman who plays dexter's sister is legitimately one of the worst actors i've ever seen on television.
she also looks like an alien
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Old 11-26-2012, 01:03 PM   #41243
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lol, of course "cost X games" can mean something other than "worth -X in WPA." Ron Rivera made obvious, high-leverage mistakes that ended up with the team losing.

Say team X is playing the Patriots, has been moving the ball well all game, then on 4th and 2, up 34-31, with 3:30 left in the game, punts the ball from the Pats' 38. This is worth a fixed amount of WPA, probably .20 or whatever (would run it through ANFL calculator but at work imo). But, if the Patriots go down the field and score a touchdown and win, I think it's perfectly fair to say that the coach of team X "cost his team the game."
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Old 11-26-2012, 01:03 PM   #41244
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counterpoint: if rivera hadn't trusted the defense by punting it on 4th down then cam would've failed to pick up the 1st, you lose anyway, and your depressed & unloved D would've blown the game against the redskins because of low morale.
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Old 11-26-2012, 01:07 PM   #41245
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lol, of course "cost X games" can mean something other than "worth -X in WPA." Ron Rivera made obvious, high-leverage mistakes that ended up with the team losing.

Say team X is playing the Patriots, has been moving the ball well all game, then on 4th and 2, up 34-31, with 3:30 left in the game, punts the ball from the Pats' 38. This is worth a fixed amount of WPA, probably .20 or whatever (would run it through ANFL calculator but at work imo). But, if the Patriots go down the field and score a touchdown and win, I think it's perfectly fair to say that the coach of team X "cost his team the game."
That's fair, but fig guy and riverman and others are suggesting that their brilliant GTO tuned minds would be worth several wins above non union mexican equivalent chilly
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Old 11-26-2012, 01:07 PM   #41246
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Re: SE FAQ, Liveblog and Holiday Discussion

when you talk in terms of losing x games per year, you are clearly talking about WPA and not individual game situations. just like a player can be worth x WAR but could've had far greater or far less WPA depending on how well he did in the clutch.
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Old 11-26-2012, 01:09 PM   #41247
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Say team X is playing the Patriots, has been moving the ball well all game, then on 4th and 2, up 34-31, with 3:30 left in the game, punts the ball from the Pats' 38. This is worth a fixed amount of WPA, probably .20 or whatever (would run it through ANFL calculator but at work imo). But, if the Patriots go down the field and score a touchdown and win, I think it's perfectly fair to say that the coach of team X "cost his team the game."
nahh



Think we've found the root of our disagreement here if you think punting is -20%
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Old 11-26-2012, 01:09 PM   #41248
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lol, of course "cost X games" can mean something other than "worth -X in WPA." Ron Rivera made obvious, high-leverage mistakes that ended up with the team losing.

Say team X is playing the Patriots, has been moving the ball well all game, then on 4th and 2, up 34-31, with 3:30 left in the game, punts the ball from the Pats' 38. This is worth a fixed amount of WPA, probably .20 or whatever (would run it through ANFL calculator but at work imo). But, if the Patriots go down the field and score a touchdown and win, I think it's perfectly fair to say that the coach of team X "cost his team the game."
No idea why people didn't get this. Cost (the short term result subject to variance) and Cost (The amount of long-term expectation wagered on a choice) aren't the same thing.

LOL Rivera tho
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Old 11-26-2012, 01:13 PM   #41249
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That's fair, but fig guy and riverman and others are suggesting that their brilliant GTO tuned minds would be worth several wins above non union mexican equivalent chilly
"i am worth several wins over mexican chilly" =/= "the panthers would have won 3 more games this season if i were coaching instead of mexican chilly". (afaik dkgo has fairly consistently said the latter, which is probably true, instead of the former, which is more questionable.)

BAIDS: oops, good thing I specified playing vs. the Patriots.
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Old 11-26-2012, 01:14 PM   #41250
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Actual cool thing that happened in OOT:

Guy claims he can take off and land plane just based on his Flight Sim experience. OOT's resident pilot gets things setup to see if it's true. Linked below is the pilot's trip report of the experience:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=606
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