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Old 11-07-2012, 12:18 PM   #39926
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:28 PM   #39927
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I just don't like being around anything that is smoked. It bothers me.
I don't mind being around weed nearly as much as I do someone that chain smokes tobacco, but if hope any state that legalized weed would enact smoking bans like we have here: no smoking in businesses and no smoking within 8 feet of any entrance.

On a political level I dislike telling a business owner that they can't allow smoking in their own business but on the other hand that **** stinks.
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:40 PM   #39928
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just let the drug trade happen and if they start killing each other over "their turf" who cares
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:00 PM   #39929
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On a political level I dislike telling a business owner that they can't allow smoking in their own business but on the other hand that **** stinks.
I'm a nonsmoker myself (with the exception of cigars on the golf course, doesn't really count in this context) but I used to get annoyed at the ever encroaching smoking laws, figuring a business owner should be allowed to let customers smoke and people would vote with their feet if they didn't like it.

But then the inside smoking ban kicked in a few years ago...it instantly made smoky places tolerable and I didn't walk out of bars smelling like a goddamned ashtray. A lot of places built patios to accommodate their smoking patrons and it has been a pretty good compromise. Would never, ever want to go back to the way it was.
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:03 PM   #39930
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Yeah feel pretty similar. Hate the theory of the law, but man I like how it's worked out. Get an even better idea of the difference because I always have to change my shirt when I come from the casino.
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:29 PM   #39931
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In terms of legal weed and the feds.

In WA apparently the feds have told the dispenceries near schools they'll have to close up shop or face raids. It's the same school-proximate ones that have been raided in Cali. That appears to be the current extent of the fed/state conflict.
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:34 PM   #39932
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60 Minutes had a good bit on this a few weeks ago regarding Colorado. They basically could start arresting people left and right for being in direct violation of federal law, but know it would be a spectacularly unpopular allocation of resources so they basically look the other way - although evidently they have also been leaning on the banking industry to avoid doing business with places that sell P.O.T., creating a hardship there. So they're being passive-aggressive.

As one of the SMEs on the matter pointed out, the dichotomy of state and federal laws can't exist forever - something has to give.
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:48 PM   #39933
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Tonight was not a mandate on Obama.

Tonight was a mandate that said that 1950s America is dead for good. Legalized marijuana passed in multiple states. Gay marriage passed at least in Washington. And multiple Republicans lost Senate races due to ignorant and condescending attitudes towards women's rights.

The Republican Party is not dead. They are capable of having some good ideas. But as long as they run on social attitudes that are out of touch with > 70% of America, they will continue to be voted down, and in my opinion rightly so.
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:57 PM   #39934
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:58 PM   #39935
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Wiper wanting to keep things on topic.
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:09 PM   #39936
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:30 PM   #39937
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In terms of legal weed and the feds.

In WA apparently the feds have told the dispenceries near schools they'll have to close up shop or face raids. It's the same school-proximate ones that have been raided in Cali. That appears to be the current extent of the fed/state conflict.
It's been far more invasive than that in CO and CA.
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:35 PM   #39938
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Holy office politarding the morning after in a very red state...make it stop...
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:53 PM   #39939
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Real solid.
the pop vote was like 50-48. there is no way you can say the current republican party does not connect with >70% of people. with as bad as obama had been a republican candidate worth less than 9 figures and a bit more personable wins
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:01 PM   #39940
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where do you find one of those
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:20 PM   #39941
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the pop vote was like 50-48. there is no way you can say the current republican party does not connect with >70% of people. with as bad as obama had been a republican candidate worth less than 9 figures and a bit more personable wins
the best candidate the republicans could put out this election couldn't beat a guy who much of his own base was ready to jump ship on. if anything this strengthens zimmer's point
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:23 PM   #39942
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the pop vote was like 50-48. there is no way you can say the current republican party does not connect with >70% of people. with as bad as obama had been a republican candidate worth less than 9 figures and a bit more personable wins
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:31 PM   #39943
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the best candidate the republicans could put out this election couldn't beat a guy who much of his own base was ready to jump ship on. if anything this strengthens zimmer's point
how can you justify that they are "out of touch with >70%" of the country when we just saw them get >48% of the vote
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:37 PM   #39944
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how can you justify that they are "out of touch with >70%" of the country when we just saw them get >48% of the vote
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:38 PM   #39945
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the pop vote was like 50-48. there is no way you can say the current republican party does not connect with >70% of people. with as bad as obama had been a republican candidate worth less than 9 figures and a bit more personable wins
They had an incumbent president with some of the worst statistics of any incumbent in recent memory. A huge percentage of the Republican base would have turned out and voted for Zombie Hitler on the sheer basis that he isn't Obama.

The demographics are shifting. The Republicans rely 90% on white voters, and a majority on rural voters. Both of these groups are shrinking. The 18-29 age group formed a greater % of the electorate this year than the 65+ age group. As the 65+ group dies out and new 18 year olds replace them, you will get more people who are pro-drug, pro-gay marriage, anti-religion. and will live in cities.

The Republicans can win the popular vote sometime in the future. But as states like PA, OH, and FL become less rural and more urban, plus the demographic shifts, I find it hard to imagine a scenario where they can win those states with social policies that only benefit straight white people, and seem frankly bigoted to a large % of the country. And that large % includes a good chunk of people who vote Republican for fiscal reasons.
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:42 PM   #39946
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how can you justify that they are "out of touch with >70%" of the country when we just saw them get >48% of the vote
Federal votes are less telling than more local votes though. As a general trend the nation is becoming more socially liberal (this pretty much always happens). There are fewer people that get BH when a black man and white woman hold hands then there were in the 50s and there are fewer homophobes now than there were in the 80s.

Social freedoms expand with the passage of time (old bigots tend to die) so hitching your wagons to the "bring society back to the 1950s/leave it to beaver stuff" isn't going to win you an election.
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:48 PM   #39947
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Re: SE FAQ, Liveblog and Legalized P.O.T. Discussion

was it John Oliver that did the Daily Show piece on why so many baby-boomer Republicans worship the 50s, and concluded it's because they were children then?
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:56 PM   #39948
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Jindal is a confirmed joke at this point even to many down here, would be shocked if he put up any kind of serious run in 2016
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Old 11-07-2012, 04:00 PM   #39949
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was it John Oliver that did the Daily Show piece on why so many baby-boomer Republicans worship the 50s, and concluded it's because they were children then?
well yeah, i think most ppl (?) are nostalgic towards their past (if they had a decent-good upbringing), and probably especially so for old, conservative rich dudes.
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Old 11-07-2012, 04:01 PM   #39950
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Jindal is a confirmed joke at this point even to many down here, would be shocked if he put up any kind of serious run in 2016
I hope he does, it would not be hard for any half-decent opposition research to come up with a lot of hilariously embarrassing **** on him
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