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Old 08-14-2012, 11:38 AM   #33401
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Yeah I live in chicago, and public transport is pretty good... but I'd rather drive 99% of the time.
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Old 08-14-2012, 11:42 AM   #33402
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Of all the complaints I've heard about NYC; rain is one I never thought i'd hear.
The problem with nyc is a closet costing 1.2m
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Old 08-14-2012, 11:43 AM   #33403
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Ranking of overratedness itt:

1. Chipotle
2. NYC
3. Five Guys

Chipotle - never understood the mass appeal when there are other places that are almost perfect substitutes and in some ways better (e.g. Qdoba)

NYC - I'd rather not live out of a shoebox and go to bars where they pack people like sardines, thank you. Also really smelly. That being said there isn't a city in the US with more to do.

Five Guys - not overrated imo because many people still don't know about it. But yeah a pub burger or whatever can easily be better.
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Old 08-14-2012, 11:43 AM   #33404
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I definitely prefer taking the light rail here into Denver rather than drive. Parking isn't free downtown, gas, mileage -- also the light rail is faster on some days, and basically never slower.
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Old 08-14-2012, 11:44 AM   #33405
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no, I mean instead of driving to work, lunch, your (girl)friend's apartment, a baseball game, dinner, the airport, etc. you have to take the subway with hundreds of other people or pay for a cab. Both of these options are less comfortable and less convenient than walking out of your apartment or work and getting in your car 50 feet away and parking at your destination while controlling the temperature and comfort.
Taking the subway is also much less expensive, so there's that. The subway has its ups and downs, but driving oftentimes blows, especially in cities where that's the only option.

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Also, you can't very easily take 10 minutes and go pick up food and bring it back because you have to either walk to somewhere nearby (thereby limiting your choices significantly)
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order delivery (thereby increasing cost and still limiting choices), or take a subway/cab. It is also an absolute nightmare to go shopping anywhere that will lead to a purchase of stuff that is more than you can comfortably carry. Its basically impossible to go buy a liquor and a few cases of beer without 2 friends coming with you. Forget about going to the grocery store or costco unless you plan to go everyday.
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Cabs are standard when you drink, but you cant argue that driving is inarguably more comfortable and faster if you have any sort of parking and roads that are sufficient to accomodate the population.
I can and do. No roads are sufficient to accommodate population - it's basically a given that in all cities where mass transit is a joke, traffic is a daily nightmare (LA, Houston, Phoenix, Atlanta).

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traffic in ATL is better than traffic in NYC in my experience. Its basically impossible to drive in NYC and traffic laws are loosely obeyed on a good day. Also, when people say ATL is sprawled theyre including the suburbs. NYC is sprawled too if you include NJ and CT as part of the "city." I am able to get everywhere I need to go in ATL (about a 10 mi radius) in 15 min or less. I can get to work in 7 min in the morning despite it being 2.5 mi away. Mass transit is nice when drinking (but it seems to close too early to be usable most of the time anyways and a cab in NYC is harder to get than one in ATL). Why would anyone prefer to take a subway to work instead of driving? It makes no sense.
Again, driving is much more expensive, but even leaving that aside, it's not impossible to drive in NYC (I do it all the time). When I say ATL is sprawled, I am talking about just the city of Atlanta, as I've visited that city twice and I don't think I've ever been outside of Atlanta proper. LOL @ a cab being harder to get in NYC than ATL. Obviously this is true when it's raining or if you're in a packed bar district; taxi-type apps have made it easier to get cabs in non-NYC cities, I imagine, but if any of these things are not true, I'd much rather just hail a random cab. On a subway, you can read, you don't have to deal with the hassle of driving, you get to experience things that are outside the protective bubble of existence that you erect when you're in a car. I'm not saying the subway is superior - it isn't - but it's also cheaper and it's pretty awesome sometimes.
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Old 08-14-2012, 11:44 AM   #33406
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yea, thats what I experienced, but I have always heard "you have to go to MSG" spoken just like "you have to go to Wrigley" and the latter was awesome. I found pretty much everything that people hype about NYC to be overrated.
Wrigley might be a fun place to party and drink, but its a pretty terrible venue for actually watching a game.

There are an ungodly number of seats with poor sight lines. If you are anywhere in the terrace there is probably a post in your way.

Equally obnoxious is that all of the seating is oriented towards the center of the ballpark. This wouldn't be so bad if the main action at a baseball game took place 30 feet behind second base, but unfortunately baseball takes place primarily at home plate. This means that most of the fans are sitting awkwardly at an angle in their already not very comfortable seats.

There is a lot to love about Wrigley, but I can't say I'd be too furious if they pulled a Yankee stadium style reboot and tried to keep the overall look and feel while fixing the huge fundamental flaws the ballpark has.
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Old 08-14-2012, 11:52 AM   #33407
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how is driving more expensive? I spend $40 a month in gas and about $60 on cabs in ATL (going out on weekends to drink requires a cab in any city). I live in ATL and drive to and from work everyday, out to dinner about 4 times a week, to the store once or twice a week, to pickup lunch a couple times a week (often send someone else), to a rec kickball league weekly, and to do stuff with my gf or friends at least 4 nights a week.
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Old 08-14-2012, 11:54 AM   #33408
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so unless the subway in NYC costs about $.50 per trip there is no way it is cheaper.
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Old 08-14-2012, 11:54 AM   #33409
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Know what's cheaper? Walking.
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Old 08-14-2012, 11:55 AM   #33410
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how is driving more expensive? I spend $40 a month in gas and about $60 on cabs in ATL (going out on weekends to drink requires a cab in any city). I live in ATL and drive to and from work everyday, out to dinner about 4 times a week, to the store once or twice a week, to pickup lunch a couple times a week (often send someone else), to a rec kickball league weekly, and to do stuff with my gf or friends at least 4 nights a week.
you own a car, you pay insurance on that car, your car depreciates, your car requires repairs, and a car is clearly more expensive if you even do a second of thinking about it. also you are lucky to live in a state where the federal government paid for all the major roads so there aren't tolls, which of course incentivizes even more traffic.

EDIT: also what shark sandwich said. and biking is pretty inexpensive also.
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Old 08-14-2012, 12:01 PM   #33411
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It's $100 a month for an unlimited metro pass in NYC
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Old 08-14-2012, 12:04 PM   #33412
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Anytime you go to a bar with any sort of crowd in ATL there are literally cabs lined up begging you to get in their cab over the cab ahead or behind them. When trying to get to a bar you just call one and they come when you tell them too, many people call the same driver routinely and they will often let you squeeze an extra person or two in the cab if necessary (I have never seen a NYC cab allow this). My friends in NYC also say that its basically impossible to call one and have it come at a specific time and wait for you instead of picking someone else up. It is far more convenient when they say they will be there and then will hang around until everyone is ready.
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Old 08-14-2012, 12:06 PM   #33413
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126.00 TTC Metro Pass in Toronto. Per Month.

Gas 1.30/L Cost me 60.00 a week to drive from home to work and back in my truck.
If I lived in Toronto I would be using transit and only using our vehicles on the weekends.
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Old 08-14-2012, 12:07 PM   #33414
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Qdoba > Chipotle?

rofl no.
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Old 08-14-2012, 12:09 PM   #33415
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Mass transport is massively less expensive for many reasons, but the problem is that it's on it's own schedule and doesn't go exactly where you want to go. I don't exactly enjoy taking a half hour walk+train+wait for train+walk when the drive is 10 minutes.
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Old 08-14-2012, 12:11 PM   #33416
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Qdoba > Chipotle?

rofl no.
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Old 08-14-2012, 12:13 PM   #33417
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Know what's cheaper? Walking.
true, but it sucks in the rain or if youre going >1.5 miles or so.

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you own a car, you pay insurance on that car, your car depreciates, your car requires repairs, and a car is clearly more expensive if you even do a second of thinking about it. also you are lucky to live in a state where the federal government paid for all the major roads so there aren't tolls, which of course incentivizes even more traffic.

EDIT: also what shark sandwich said. and biking is pretty inexpensive also.
I pay about $350 all in for all of this.

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It's $100 a month for an unlimited metro pass in NYC
did not know that existed. I have never been there long enough to use that, but thats much more affordable than the $2.25 (I think thats what it was when I was last there) each way. in the course of your normal life is the metro enough to get around? I assume you'd need cabs for groceries, dates, etc. at least a few times a week.
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Old 08-14-2012, 12:15 PM   #33418
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ya because it rains all the time in NYC. and yeah people take cabs for groceries all the time, they go to the local COSTCO, or when that's mobbed, they go to Wal-Mart. The bills pile up.
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Old 08-14-2012, 12:17 PM   #33419
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If you didn't realize that you can buy mass transit passes for more than a single trip, I'm not sure you're qualified for this conversation
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Old 08-14-2012, 12:20 PM   #33420
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Mass transport is massively less expensive for many reasons, but the problem is that it's on it's own schedule and doesn't go exactly where you want to go. I don't exactly enjoy taking a half hour walk+train+wait for train+walk when the drive is 10 minutes.
this. I have a train stop about a third of a mile from both my apt and my office. Yet, if I was to use this to get to and from work my commute would be 25 min instead of 7.
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Old 08-14-2012, 12:20 PM   #33421
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It's $100 a month for an unlimited metro pass in NYC
Is it that great of a deal though considering you have to take it 44.44 times a month to break even?
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Old 08-14-2012, 12:21 PM   #33422
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lol @ Qdoba being close to chipotle
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Old 08-14-2012, 12:23 PM   #33423
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A great example is my commute today. It's a 9 minute drive w/o traffic. Public transit literally picks me up at my door and takes 21 minutes... not including time waiting for the bus.

I'll take the bus though today because parking downtown is 20 bucks.
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Old 08-14-2012, 12:24 PM   #33424
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lol @ Qdoba being close to chipotle
BUT DEY PUT CHEEZ ON THAT **** YO.

Qdoba's flavors are really mediocre. Cheese sauces are ok though.
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Old 08-14-2012, 12:24 PM   #33425
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public transportation in DC is pretty awesome unless you want to go to georgetown in which case it blows
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