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05-31-2012 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by ClarkNasty
Part of me wants to create a Football subforum and move Soccer, NFL and CFB all into it.
That would be fine IMO.
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05-31-2012 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
then you are bad at watching tv, you'd probably fit right in as en emmy voter tho
Agree
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05-31-2012 , 12:53 PM
Eh, Saints losing that game was def a bit of run good for the Giants, but nothing out of line at all compared to most Super Bowl runs teams go through.
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05-31-2012 , 12:55 PM
this is SE noze, where everything that just happened is the GOAT or WOAT or ZOMGGG RIGGED
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05-31-2012 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by KDebo
...the two finales I've watched just ended the story on that season pretty much
you're right about this anyway. as they never really knew if they were coming back for another season, all of the finales were structured so that they could serve as a series finale, so i see what you're saying. but my feeling was always "hey this show is great, and there are more eps, so i can't wait to see where they go from here with it".
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05-31-2012 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Triumph36
this is SE noze, where everything that just happened is the GOAT or WOAT or ZOMGGG RIGGED
Don't let Riverman speak for all of us
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05-31-2012 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by BobboFitos
if you thought he wasnt going to die, you havent been watching the whole series.
Wat
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05-31-2012 , 03:52 PM
Need a women's boules sub forum ldo
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05-31-2012 , 04:07 PM
Thing is, you can pick any endpoint of an event and call it extremely lucky or extremely standard. A 3 seed losing on the road to a 2 seed is standard. A team losing a game they had a 94% WPA at one point is not standard. But these are the same event-- so was it lucky or standard? You could argue either way, and you could argue that for every game, and it really just proves that in sports, as in poker and life, our perception of luck is almost entirely just that, perception.

RT,
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One of the running motifs in the series is the way the system chews people up and spits them out. Be it the streets, the police department, or city hall, your merits as an individual have little to do with your fate-- only luck, the workings of the system, and your ability to survive in it. The police department and city hall are filled with people like Burrell and Carcetti because their top priority is their career ambition and doing whatever it takes to further that. Doing their job well, doing the right thing, or even being a generally decent person all falls by the wayside of surviving and climbing the ladder.

If you can't work the system, the system chews you up. Look at Namond and Randy. Randy is a nice kid, decent and clever and enterprising. Namond is kind of a douche poser. But at the end of S4, Namond gets pulled out of the streets and Randy plunges further into hell. Because that's the way the system works. Namond got lucky that someone who could make a difference in his life took a personal interest in him-- that's also the only way change happens in the system, and it only happens on small, individual scales. Randy had someone-- Sgt. Carver-- but he didn't have the power to make a difference, so he couldn't be saved.

That was a long digression, but it leads to this: Bodie was a soldier. Soldiers die young. Unless they can move up in the organization somehow or find a way to get off the streets, they die young. "You only got to be a little slow, be a little late, once." Bodie wasn't ever going to move up. There was no way out for him. Didn't matter that he was smarter, more personable, realized the game was rigged. This was his fate.
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05-31-2012 , 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by nath
Thing is, you can pick any endpoint of an event and call it extremely lucky or extremely standard. A 3 seed losing on the road to a 2 seed is standard. A team losing a game they had a 94% WPA at one point is not standard. But these are the same event-- so was it lucky or standard? You could argue either way, and you could argue that for every game, and it really just proves that in sports, as in poker and life, our perception of luck is almost entirely just that, perception.

RT,
Spoiler:
One of the running motifs in the series is the way the system chews people up and spits them out. Be it the streets, the police department, or city hall, your merits as an individual have little to do with your fate-- only luck, the workings of the system, and your ability to survive in it. The police department and city hall are filled with people like Burrell and Carcetti because their top priority is their career ambition and doing whatever it takes to further that. Doing their job well, doing the right thing, or even being a generally decent person all falls by the wayside of surviving and climbing the ladder.

If you can't work the system, the system chews you up. Look at Namond and Randy. Randy is a nice kid, decent and clever and enterprising. Namond is kind of a douche poser. But at the end of S4, Namond gets pulled out of the streets and Randy plunges further into hell. Because that's the way the system works. Namond got lucky that someone who could make a difference in his life took a personal interest in him-- that's also the only way change happens in the system, and it only happens on small, individual scales. Randy had someone-- Sgt. Carver-- but he didn't have the power to make a difference, so he couldn't be saved.

That was a long digression, but it leads to this: Bodie was a soldier. Soldiers die young. Unless they can move up in the organization somehow or find a way to get off the streets, they die young. "You only got to be a little slow, be a little late, once." Bodie wasn't ever going to move up. There was no way out for him. Didn't matter that he was smarter, more personable, realized the game was rigged. This was his fate.
Bayesian statistics tho
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05-31-2012 , 04:21 PM
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...-virginia?lite

West Virginia preacher Mark Randall "Mack" Wolford, who believed Christians should handle snakes to test their faith, died after a rattlesnake bit him over the weekend.



Wolford was bitten on the thigh about 2 p.m. Sunday afternoon, but he didn't come to the hospital until 10:30 p.m., a nursing supervisor at Bluefield Regional Medical Center told the Charleston Daily Mail. The incident occurred during an outdoor service at Panther State Forest, about 80 miles west of Bluefield in southern West Virginia, the paper said.

Wolford had turned 44 on Saturday. He had seen his father die of a snakebite when he was teenager, the Daily Mail reported.
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05-31-2012 , 04:25 PM
most thinly-veiled campaign ever to win a Darwin Award, imo
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05-31-2012 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by nath
RT,
Spoiler:
One of the running motifs in the series is the way the system chews people up and spits them out. Be it the streets, the police department, or city hall, your merits as an individual have little to do with your fate-- only luck, the workings of the system, and your ability to survive in it. The police department and city hall are filled with people like Burrell and Carcetti because their top priority is their career ambition and doing whatever it takes to further that. Doing their job well, doing the right thing, or even being a generally decent person all falls by the wayside of surviving and climbing the ladder.

If you can't work the system, the system chews you up. Look at Namond and Randy. Randy is a nice kid, decent and clever and enterprising. Namond is kind of a douche poser. But at the end of S4, Namond gets pulled out of the streets and Randy plunges further into hell. Because that's the way the system works. Namond got lucky that someone who could make a difference in his life took a personal interest in him-- that's also the only way change happens in the system, and it only happens on small, individual scales. Randy had someone-- Sgt. Carver-- but he didn't have the power to make a difference, so he couldn't be saved.

That was a long digression, but it leads to this: Bodie was a soldier. Soldiers die young. Unless they can move up in the organization somehow or find a way to get off the streets, they die young. "You only got to be a little slow, be a little late, once." Bodie wasn't ever going to move up. There was no way out for him. Didn't matter that he was smarter, more personable, realized the game was rigged. This was his fate.
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I don't disagree with the general theme discussion, but Bodie wasn't that one-dimensional. He was clearly able to adapt to his circumstances better than most (Adjusting to being "independent", adjusting to Marlo's proposition the way he did, etc.). He and Slim Charles are two of my favorite characters for that reason and I assumed Bodie would be smarter if the time came to go at Marlo.

You also mentioned the kids, so maybe you can help me, how does Dookie's progression here make any sense. The kids been effectively on his own for his entire life, then his worthless family gets evicted (...again) and just after he's been flourishing in school, he starts slanging??? I get that he was scared at the prospect of going to HS and/or leaving his friends, but that seems like a huge leap for the character to take if he hadn't already.

I guess moving in with Michael got him closer to someone directly involved in the game, but it still seemed odd.
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05-31-2012 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Triumph36
this is SE noze, where everything that just happened is the GOAT or WOAT or ZOMGGG RIGGED
rogged*
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05-31-2012 , 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Tanner
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I don't disagree with the general theme discussion, but Bodie wasn't that one-dimensional. He was clearly able to adapt to his circumstances better than most (Adjusting to being "independent", adjusting to Marlo's proposition the way he did, etc.). He and Slim Charles are two of my favorite characters for that reason and I assumed Bodie would be smarter if the time came to go at Marlo.

You also mentioned the kids, so maybe you can help me, how does Dookie's progression here make any sense. The kids been effectively on his own for his entire life, then his worthless family gets evicted (...again) and just after he's been flourishing in school, he starts slanging??? I get that he was scared at the prospect of going to HS and/or leaving his friends, but that seems like a huge leap for the character to take if he hadn't already.

I guess moving in with Michael got him closer to someone directly involved in the game, but it still seemed odd.
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While tragic, Dukie's fate doesn't seem like a big leap to me at all. Coming from such a horribly broken home life where he was surrounded by drug addicts and alcoholics, he's probably lucky to have lasted until high school (we see numerous instances of him depending on the charity of his friends as well as the school principal).

No family, alienated from his new school environment and then finally shut out of the game. The result is similar to the Randy/Carver relationship...but it was always brutally clear that there isn't always going to be a Mr. Prezbo there to help him tread water.
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05-31-2012 , 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by PoseidonCubed
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While tragic, Dukie's fate doesn't seem like a big leap to me at all. Coming from such a horribly broken home life where he was surrounded by drug addicts and alcoholics, he's probably lucky to have lasted until high school (we see numerous instances of him depending on the charity of his friends as well as the school principal).

No family, alienated from his new school environment and then finally shut out of the game. The result is similar to the Randy/Carver relationship...but it was always brutally clear that there isn't always going to be a Mr. Prezbo there to help him tread water.
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But he spent almost the entire season being picked on and bullied. The only thing that seemed to indicate it was even a possibility was that he moved in with Michael. Going to work on his corner made sense from that spot, as well as him finally having a sense of belonging (not to mention having Michael there to protect him), but up until that point, he seemed to have no interest in anything drug related. That's why him instantly becoming a corner boy seemed really odd.

Coming from his home if he was introduced to us as having to do whatever he needed to in order to survive, then I get it, but he was basically a runt the entire time. He seemed a little similar to Namond in that he was obviously caught up in a world where the drug game was an integral part, but not really made for it.

To be clear, I loved it as a way to show Prezbo what the system does to most of the kids in his class, but I didn't care for it as much from Dukie's side.

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05-31-2012 , 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by KDebo
I've watched 2 seasons of The Wire, and I really like the show, but it doesn't have that "oh wow I need to keep watching" feel to it that drives you in, at least IMO.

Some episodes do, but the two finales I've watched just ended the story on that season pretty much
Ban

What the **** is wrong with you, you ignorant mother ****er

Grunch
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05-31-2012 , 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Tanner
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I don't disagree with the general theme discussion, but Bodie wasn't that one-dimensional. He was clearly able to adapt to his circumstances better than most (Adjusting to being "independent", adjusting to Marlo's proposition the way he did, etc.). He and Slim Charles are two of my favorite characters for that reason and I assumed Bodie would be smarter if the time came to go at Marlo.

You also mentioned the kids, so maybe you can help me, how does Dookie's progression here make any sense. The kids been effectively on his own for his entire life, then his worthless family gets evicted (...again) and just after he's been flourishing in school, he starts slanging??? I get that he was scared at the prospect of going to HS and/or leaving his friends, but that seems like a huge leap for the character to take if he hadn't already.

I guess moving in with Michael got him closer to someone directly involved in the game, but it still seemed odd.
lol spoilers its like 10 yrs. are ppl still doing spoilers for star wars?

anyway,

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bodie dying was luck too. wrong dude watched him walk out the police station at the wrong time. they didnt know anything about wat he was doing there. him being about to snitch was completely incidental.
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05-31-2012 , 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Tanner
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But he spent almost the entire season being picked on and bullied. The only thing that seemed to indicate it was even a possibility was that he moved in with Michael. Going to work on his corner made sense from that spot, as well as him finally having a sense of belonging (not to mention having Michael there to protect him), but up until that point, he seemed to have no interest in anything drug related. That's why him instantly becoming a corner boy seemed really odd.

Coming from his home if he was introduced to us as having to do whatever he needed to in order to survive, then I get it, but he was basically a runt the entire time. He seemed a little similar to Namond in that he was obviously caught up in a world where the drug game was an integral part, but not really made for it.

To be clear, I loved it as a way to show Prezbo what the system does to most of the kids in his class, but I didn't care for it as much from Dukie's side.
i dunno mebbe i didnt pay enough attention but afaict, dukie was never a corner boy. he was never accepted in that crew. the ppl that accepted him were the addicts ala bubbles. it makes total sense he would fall into the role of addict and enterprising homeless type given his home and peer acceptance.
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06-01-2012 , 12:10 AM
I'm watching The Wire for the first time right now actually - so forum spoiler tags are actually helpful

Unfortunately they break on phone when they get quoted

I've become spectacularly good at averting my eyes @ spoilers itt the past day.
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06-01-2012 , 12:17 AM
i watched the wire like 2 yrs ago and i wasnt entitled enough to think ppl shud actually spoilerize a show that has been long dead
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06-01-2012 , 12:39 AM
there's nothing wrong with just being considerate of others. i wouldn't have wanted to stumble upon Wire spoilers in a completely unrelated place.
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06-01-2012 , 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by nath
there's nothing wrong with just being considerate of others. i wouldn't have wanted to stumble upon Wire spoilers in a completely unrelated place.
then you would have watched the wire earlier, or stopped reading when the discussion arose in a thread.

ur proly the type that bitches in game of thrones threads about spoilers.
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06-01-2012 , 12:56 AM
victor,

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you seem quite perturbed for no good reason
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06-01-2012 , 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by nath
there's nothing wrong with just being considerate of others. i wouldn't have wanted to stumble upon Wire spoilers in a completely unrelated place.
I don't mind spoilers in or out of tags - I think the only one that ever pissed me off was the snape dumbledore one, because it was leaked before the release.

I'm not watching it for the plot twists really anyways. The acting + writing is good enough that I'd find about the same amount of enjoyment even if I knew the whole series.

Plus I wouldn't be opening this thread constantly if I cared, haha.
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