I also enjoy empty platitudes about change, though Obama floating the idea of disallowing gun sales to people on the terrorist watch list, which has no statutory requirements and lists over a million names, is certainly interesting.

The Daily News is not making fun of a religion, you are missing the point of that headline.

People who pray for hope exist across all religions. People who kill people in the name of their religion exist across all religions.

Wooders0n and I in complete agreement on something. What a time we're living in!

I guess praying is pointless and ridicule worthy, but saying "we need gun control" and "guns are bad" isn't? It just seems agenda driven while smugly patting yourself on the back, especially when Obama constantly says prayers without backlash, and especially when you consider the extent of gun control in California.

Just say you want to repeal the 2nd amendment and want more totalitarian government control. All I see is continued proof that humans love fiction, and one side's fiction is high brow so they think they're in the right.

I'd prefer no platitudes and them actually doing something other than tweeting. But they sure do know their audience.

Yeah but at least gun control implies some sort of policy change that could actually have potential to alter human behavior.

And then there's prayer which implies talking to yourself while acting like you're talking to someone else and no one ever hears it and it confirmed does nothing.

The only way I screwed up the discussion was pointing out how you were factually misinformed. If that's screwing up the conversation, all you want is a safe space and really need to toughen the **** up.

They're not mutually exclusive. Are you familiar with this country's history of prayer and political change? You just want to repeal the 2nd amendment and feel anyone who disagrees with you is wrong. It has nothing to do with prayer other than a backlash against Christianity, it's just an easy spot to make yourself feel better about yourself.

People were so hopeful that this was an act of White Christian terrorism might I add

It seems like it's been way too long since we've had a good old fashioned lol thayer post

lol thayer

I've got the litany of gun control measures that have been repealed, voted down or overturned as being just as vague and hollow as thoughts and prayers tweets also. It's all just a wash rabble rabble

Gotta say it: ikes is right.

Our country needs to move forward and follow California's gun control policy so things like this won't happen anymore



ETA: Yeah I got ikes in that one, MeB even seems to be trying to out IKES ikes too

I was praying for it, but that didn't seem to do much good.

Your implication here may or may not be true.

But the point is that "God will not fix this" is DEFINITELY true. And that conservatives should offer policy fixes to address the problem instead of meaningless tweets is DEFINITELY true.

ikes is just a fat mouthbreather whose sheer force of lolness makes him do all these ikes things

like meb had a pretty decent post even if its not like scholarly researched and here comes DOCTAH IKES to be like oh some details wrong, invalidate entire thing herp derp im doctah ikes and too stupid to engage with material rather than play gotcha

I believe MeB's point was about how bad the free market affects healthcare while handwaving away the fact that it's majority publicly funded

Say what now

i still find the soft or sometimes hard defending of islam by mostly the same groups? who admonish Christianity to be strange

it's fine to think both are crazy and net negatives

blowing up stuff definitely not a point in eithers favor

if i had to rank them i would almost definitely say islam is more of a "bad" than christianity

what specifically did you find wrong with ikes post?

All Ikes did was point out stuff Meb was wrong about. Now meb has free reign to call ikes the worst and should feel worser. Just don't call him a ginge.

My prayers are with you guys as you debate the relative merits of ikestoys.

The two things I attacked Mebs for were the core parts of his argument. They were not close to small details.

It seems that the "prayer shaming" narrative has won out, but that's too bad because it's really stupid. The term "prayer shaming" is itself idiotic and political, designed to misleadingly identify calling out politicians for actively preserving the environment in which gun violence in our country outstrips literally every single first world country as somehow an attack on religion. It's just a word game, and it appears many of you already swallowed it.

"Prayer shaming" is not an attack on Christianity, or on your average person passing along prayers and/or best religion-inspired thoughts to the victims and families affected by a gun incident.

"Prayer shaming" is an attack on politicians and other political actors who pass along prayers in the wake of gun incidents while at the same time advocating against gun reform and gun control. That's the entire point. "Prayer shaming" is an attack on prayers rather than any remedial action, and even worse, prayers coupled with active preservation of gun violence in America.

That is a really, really important distinction that, just to cherry pick one post on this page, Eddy is missing.

If we accept the semantic game that determined that "prayer shaming" is the right thing to call actively attacking two-faced politicians who want to preserve gun proliferation and gun rights but also want to seem sympathetic every time guns kill lots of people, then we already lost the debate. The narrative wins. This is politics.

Putting this totally differently: the game here is to make calling out gun advocates on their hypocrisy when mass shootings occur the equivalent of attacking Christians, in order to generate a frothing conservative Christian gun-rights voting crowd for the benefit of the Republican Party. If you don't get that, you don't get quite a lot.

I'm interested to hear how Christianity, the moral foundation of the most open and progressive societies in the world, is a net negative.