I agree with this. It was at times clumsily expressed, but much of the stuff he was getting lolled at was reasonable.

For example, yes there is a spectrum of rape, which is not to say that any rape is even remotely excusable. Moreover, given the paucity of false rape claims and the strong evidence suggesting many rapes go unreported, every rape claim should be strongly construed in favor of the woman reporting. That said, is it that hard to see the difference between a malevolent assault committed while both people are sober in a parking garage and a guy going too far when both he and a woman are fooling around and both drunk at a party? Sure, the guy at the party is an ******* and should be punished harshly, but I don't think he's as culpable as the parking garage assaulter. Neither do judges when doling out sentences.

saying it was clumsily expressed is pretty generous

Edit: I 'think' what he was after is reasonable, but he did in fact say some lol stuff that gave pause. as a result the post was bad on the whole IMO

I believe everyone has the right to basic human dignity and respect until they do something to lose it. These kids did something to lose it. I also believe you can gain it back, which I hope they do. I hope they figure their **** out and go on to live productive lives.

rape is rape. the kindest gentlest rape is still a heinous and deplorable act and is worthy of stiff punishment. sure, there are varying degrees of severity, but that doesn't mean the "least severe kind" is any more forgivable

it's a shame about Ray

lol, was about to say the same thing about you

Not quite

It's a shame about Das Boot? That's not the title of an album or a Girls episode, afaik.

Do you really not see the problem with this line of reasoning? Really really?

boot posts can be interpreted as wanting other people to feel empathy for all humans regardless of how terrible their actions may be. ray posts can be interpreted as wanting other people to acknowledge that sometimes rape really isn't that bad.

perfect illustration of the spectrum of posting ability right here.

Do I need to categorize "do something to lose it" for you?

Rape and murder, that's pretty much the only two ways to lose it

The point is that humans are astoundingly poor and unreliable judges, historically, for when other people "deserve" human rights and/or dignity. "Rape/murder" is just as arbitrary as anything else; I'm 100% sure there are actions outside of this category that you'd find (at least) as morally heinous as many actions within this category. The entire philosophy of "fundamental human rights and dignity" breaks down once you start selectively applying it based on your own principles.

Guilty as charged. The good news is I should still get human respect from Das Boot

did you get a hearing or something?

nope, you're scum. hope a bunch of hobos come at you next time

what the **** are you guys talking about?

das boot:

batman lived by a mantra of "never kill criminals no matter how heinous the crime"

as a result, ras al ghul destroyed gotham and broke every inmate out of the asylum, one of those inmates was the joker, who killed both harvey dent and rachel dawes, along with countless other people

did you actually get to argue your case? or was it just a "make sure the police officer shows up" type deal?

lol

Edit: @ batman obv

perfect illustration of poor reading skillz

I mean I agree to some extent, Boot. But I don't know why a rapist would deserve my respect when that rapist has proven himself incapable of recognizing any shred of dignity of others. That's my viewpoint and I'll leave it at that. Maybe I'm a ****ty judge for not respecting two individuals who committed rape on an unconscious girl. So be it.

Would have no problem with Das Boot putting a bouquet of flowers on a rapists grave after he got 7 flavors of aids from prisoners and died in a grease fire.

Just to clarify, and my verbiage may have been spotty here: I mean "respect for their essential humanity/human dignity" rather than "respect" in the personal/colloquial sense. I think that's a pretty important aspect. But happy to leave this here and glad this reply made it on the bottom of this page rather than opening a new one.