pretty amusing **** imo

wut

Cliffs of whatever you guys are talking about plz

I have weird respect for GB despite his blatant pac 1012 homerism and anti sec schtick but I can still laugh plz

Bobbo, probably don't fish around too much about GoT online, a small % of book readers go out of their way to spoil everything everywhere, so consider youtube and comments sections totally off-limits. I stay away from the ootv thread too; signal/noise used to be terrible in it but maybe it's changed, man it must be the biggest modding headache of all-time. Fwiw this genealogy and this political map and this list helped me through S1.

Omar one of the best things about GoT is it never slows down for ppl to catch up. I can be pretty dumb about sorting out family trees etc during shows, and tbh I didn't 100% understand all the dynamics until the rewatch. Which was fine because GoT is one of the most rewatchable shows ever, despite being not much more than The Sopranos minus subtext plus Eddie Gaedel.

If I just got too drunk to make it to sunrise in the Canyon I will be very angry with myself.

But I think I'm fine.

Right?

Even though being at 7,000 feet above sea leavel level makes one drink be like four and I, uh, had more than one.

Including starting off with a Manhattan which is an absoluite recipe for disaster, every time.

lol eddie gaedel

this is, with no recency bias and no hyperbole, the single worst opinion expressed on 2+2

Thanks, this is awesome .

I am just grinding right now, and only posting in SE. I can't imagine I get spoiled, unless someone deliberately posts things in this thread or TZ just to **** with me.

Show is heating up, but I agree with the notion there are a million and 1 characters to remember. One thing though:



Yeah.

probably not a salient plot point, but:

If you're really hardcore you'll read the first 3 books as well.

When I watched GOT for the first time last year, within 20 mins I thought to myself, "this is already my favorite show of all time."

i've never seen a single episode of GoT either. i need to do what bobbo is doing.

my oh my. and i thought this culs guy was a dolt.

I love NBA but also think March Madness is awesome.

Problem is the players and rules drive me so crazy that I wont care much by week 2 unless UNC is around

first weekend is epic though

Seems pretty reasonable to me. Don't think you're taking it in the right light tbh. Though, given your take on that 18-year-old, maybe that post just isn't for you.

edit: to clarify, the specifics of what he's saying are definitely problematically expressed at points. But as an overall "argument"/opinion, there's something to what he's saying.

Leave the rapists alone

I mean seriously, did you know they were honor students?

The "it's not as bad because it's not rape rape" segment was highly regrettable and should have been excised, admittedly.

Part of the contempt towards these kids and their friends (and the community as a whole to a degree) is the vile way they acted about the rape for weeks afterwards so not really sure where this remorse argument is coming from.

Having remorse because you're going to jail isn't the same thing as having remorse because you feel bad about doing a terrible thing.

I think everyone would agree on the last point. The caveat was "if the boy in question genuinely feels remorseful in his heart" (emphasis mine.) This standard of "genuineness" is certainly something that's difficult to tell from the outside and something that it's understandable to be cynical about. But, for the philosophical argument he makes, it's a crucial qualifier.

As regards the first sentence: genuine remorse can certainly be the result of a process that involves mistakes and learning. These boys/men are getting to see the consequences of their actions in a way that they may never truly have before. Is it convenient for them to develop consciences now? Sure, but that doesn't preclude it being an authentic development.

Saying we shouldn't treat them this bad because there's worse forms of sexual assaults is silly.

Saying we shouldn't treat them this bad because they cried when they were being punished is silly.

Saying that we shouldn't punish them more than the law says to is lolobvious.

We obviously agree (scroll up), obvious straw man, trivial (respectively.)

I can't speak for this dude, and I wouldn't have worded things the way he did nor responded to replies the way he did, so I'll go more into my personal thoughts.

I think the reflex to aggressively and viciously dehumanize offenders, while understandable, is extremely unproductive and morally problematic. If we want a society where human rights are consistently respected, we need to consistently respect others' fundamental humanity, even/especially when it seems difficult.

Not really sure what you think is owed to these kids that they haven't received?

Our empathy?